Happy are those who are shunned! (page 2)

Honesty

I told her that she was in a cult and that she was under mind control and talked like a Watchtower on legs.

Gill

BFD - I'm sure that shunning is different from everyone's perspective. However, sometimes its better not to hear anything from someone rather than 'do what I say or you'll die.....sooooooon!'

Jambon1 - I would love to tell my mum not to speak to me again, but...I feel very sorry for her, trapped in a cult. I know she will never leave, but she is not permitted any time alone with my children and when ever she brings up WT BS she always gets an ear full! I should be impressed that she is a 'bad JW' and still speaks to us.....but in the end, I'm just sorry for her wasted life in a cult.

Rowan - It used to be bad for my health also, until I made a little effort to study my answers to their WT rhethoric. Now I just have fun and say what I think, as they say their piece and let rip with every possible piece of critical thinking. I always believe so far, that I've won in every single confrontation, as they always 'blink' first....being that they slam the phone down or leave. As they say, 'You're too clever for us' but as I say 'it's not cleverness it's just common sense and not allowing someone else to think for me.'

Honesty - Thanks for the mag. I've made a not of it and plan to point it out in their Watchtower Library!

dedpoet

Dedpoet - With Linda being so unwell at the moment, the last thing you need is JWs round

We don't get visited as we are both disassociated, and on a list of places not to call on.

It's possible that an elder might call at some point, or so I hear, to ask us if we want to return, but they probably know the answer before they ask the question, so I doubt it will happen.

greendawn

They are such a judgemental lot and the way they talk shows that they don't have any real cultivation or culture after all what could one expect from a dictatorial organisation? So much for an org that claims to be the true religion on earth and should have have been a beehive of lofty cultural activity. Trying to use negative emotions like fear doesn't do good to anyone.

dawg

Rowan, I know exactly what you mean!

Rabbit

BFD

Apparently, the grass is greener on the other side or maybe there just isn't any grass on either side. It's all dirt.

I like your observation.

My JW Mom was nothing like the over-bearing ones described here. She was one of the sweetest people I've ever known. I found out at an ApostaFest (from one of us evil apostates) that she even visited & helped out over a long term, a young DF'd couple with their sick baby in secret! That was my Mom. She'd kindly give you the shirt off her back.

So, when the Watchtower gods asked for her very life...by not getting that needed blood transfusion...she generously gave literally 'til it hurt'.

I'd give almost anything to see her again. And, all 3 of my children that are presently shunning me ? It's been from 5 years for one and 3 months for another..."the grass does look greener...". I'm so desperate at times for the sight of my children's faces and the sounds of their voices...I think, sometimes, I wouldn't even mind if they were rude, cruel, preaching, abusive...you know...I just need to hear their voices.

I need to know if they are OK or sick or even dead. You see, my JW x-wife has always gotten "just too busy" at the hospitals her (our) children were in, to bother to call me. I'd always find out a few months later.

So. Am I crazy ? Or just sick ? For welcoming any attention, any words...from them ?

Or...does the grass just seem greener ?

yaddayadda

Reading that was kinda sad. Your mum is being very harsh, but responding in kind isn't going to help Gill. If you want her to respect your position it might pay to respect hers. Calling her God a 'homicidal maniac' etc is just throwing fuel onto the fire. Do you both want to heal things between you or just hurl hurtful insults at each other?

Hortensia

Gill, Rabbit, I'm so sorry for what you are experiencing.

Gill

Rabbit - Your mother was way to good to' belong' to such a foolish organization as the WTBTS. She was many times bigger and better than them in every way. I'm sorry she died as she did.

Yaddayadda - Could be that I have reached the point of enough being more than enough? I do not want reconciliation with someone who will not listen to or never has listened to MY opinion on anything in over forty years. I don't care if she SAVED me, as she put it, from the Catholic Church, as she was the moron who had me baptised into it in the first place and was the moron who insisited that I be baptised into the JW Cult. She cannot even understand a simple thing like that. So what exactly did she save me from? In the end, I escaped on my own volition, with a lot of help from my husband, this board and a great counsellor.

You might be interested in my diagnosis of why I had been depressed for nearly all my life, till I left the cult but aparantly the diagnosis was 'brainwashing from a cult.' Simple as that. She would not listen to that. Those were the words of the psychiatrist and counsellor that I saw. I never took a single drug to escape that illness. The cure was leaving the Watchtower society and talking to Worldly people who wanted to help me.

So what does that say about the Watchtower Bible and tract society?

Maybe I don't want reconciliation. Maybe I want total cut off from an arrogant pair of parents who will never change and are too foolish and bigheaded to accept they were wrong and have been tricked.

fullofdoubtnow

Hi Gill,

This is a good topic! We get shunned by most of our former friends now, and we are so happy about it. I think we'd shun them if they started talking to us, they have nothing to say that either of us wants to hear anyway.

I'm happy to say that, like Trev, I have no jw relatives either, though I tried hard to get them to be jws at one time, thank goodness I failed! Apart from my current problem, I've been so much better since I've been away from the watchtower, much happier and more content with my life. Trev has a lot to do with that of course, but it's obvious that leavingthe wts is very good for your health.

I hope your mum comes round to your way of thinking soon.

Linda

Happy are those who are shunned!

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