Could This Kill The "Preaching Work"?

by metatron 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • metatron
    metatron

    first, see:

    http://www.insuranceboard.org/press/Covenant_Winter2005.pdf

    then see:

    http://drustevenson.blogspot.com/2005/02/more-church-liability-17m-for-van.html

    I believe that the Society - and its lawyers - are agonizing over this trend in the US. I also

    think that it is behind many of their recent changes, such as laying off Bethelites, dumping

    Bethel elders, limiting telemarketing, and maybe even reducing the magazines and encouraging

    cheap tracts. They are gradually trying to distance themselves from anything liable.

    good news

    metatron

  • dedpoet
    dedpoet

    Interesting metatron, and I'll bet the gb have seen this as well, or had it pointed out to them.

    They are having enough trouble with child abuse lawsuits now, so I hear. They wouldn't want
    to risk any more from another source, so maybe news like this will bring some "new light" on
    how they do things in future. If they did make any changes because of their fear of lawsuits,
    they certainly wouldn't inform their members that that was the reason for the change.

  • Nathan Natas
    Nathan Natas

    As was pointed out in another thread, human suffering and death is NOT sufficient reason for the WTB&TS to change any of their wrong-headed policies, but the whiff of lost revenue sends them into a panic of reorganization, re-structuring and revisionism (aka "new light").

    We have already begun to hear hints that the preaching work is over; Matt. 24:14 is fulfilled. What an opportune time for the WTB&TS to reduce their exposure due to the bumbling mistakes of untrained corporate volunteers, and to do with with a very nearly straight face.

    The dilemma this creates, though, is that without ways to keep the frikkin' flock busy, busy, busy, they are likely to begin having a thought or two of their own and that could lead to abandoning the Way Of The Watchtower.

    The WTB&TS has HUGE real-estate holdings, and it receives death benefits whenever a member dies and tries to buy their way into Paradise with one final gift to the "Society." After all, their heirs can't give them the promise of everlasting life, but the WTB&TS can! (The promise, not the substance.)

  • blondie
    blondie

    So you think if the rank and file use their vehicles in the d2d, if they had no insurance and hit a car full of non-JWs, that they would sue the WTS?

    That if JWs ignored "no trespassing" signs in the d2d, that non-JWs could sue them beyond what the local non trespassing laws allow?

    The WTS is currently self-insured and when JWs are injured at quick builds or on KH property, the JWs have to battle the WTS Legal to get any compensation, even hiring their own lawyer.

    At what point is the WTS corporation held liable and not the local KH corporation?

    What happens if a vehicle hits another vehicle on KH property? Are the respective auto insurance companies supposed to work it out? When is the WTS then involved?

    There was a recent case in NY where a Bethelite won workers compensation.

    It would be interesting to check with various insurance companies and see what their viewpoints are.

    Blondie

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    They mention the 1997 Act, that affords some protection to the religious body from actions of 'volunteers'. It mentions specifically that there was no protection against 'sexual' misbehaviour. Seems as though the Jw's would want to make damn sure that the local pedo's are officially banned from 'service'. I am surprised they havent' done so to date.

    Could the GB find a way to distance themselves from liability by somehow 'encouraging' service without authorizing it? Surely that fine line would be erased in court eventually, if they could even successfully paint it to begin with.

    I comment only from the PDF of the first link - haven't seen the second yet. Interesting.

    Jeff

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Looking at Mr Stevenson's blog is even more interesting to me.

    I emailed him to see if he believed that Jw's could be liable in the same manner in the case of accidents on the road in 'service'. If he replies I shall reply here to let you know.

    Very interesting.

    Jeff

  • bluesapphire
    bluesapphire

    Wow, the soup kitchen popped out at me!

    I hope the Watchtower stays as arrogant as it has always been and exposes itself to more and more lawsuits.

  • Blueblades
    Blueblades

    In the early seventies, we were preaching in Jewish territory, myself and a number of others were mobbed by the Hadsidim sect in Boro Park Brooklyn. We suffered car damage, loss of our personal effects and physical injury, a phone book that had the phone numbers of the members in the congregation was used to call and threaten physical harm to us, even saying to my wife that some of us were already dead.

    We went to the police station to press charges, the mob showed up and mobbed the station. I'm going to leave out the rest of the details. The society told us not to sue or press charges back then. Some time later it was issued that when we go door to door we are not to mention that we are from the Watchtower Society, rather that we are from the local congregation and we had a card issued to us to that effect.

    Later, new instructions came down that only two were to go in the Jewish territory, go to the corner work three or four doors then get out of there as fast as you can.

    This mobbing event, which was not the first time, was later put in the Watchtower, in the back, called Watching the World.

    Blueblades ( btw. one of those working with us was of the annointed and a long time Belthelite.)

  • sir82
    sir82

    So you think if the rank and file use their vehicles in the d2d, if they had no insurance and hit a car full of non-JWs, that they would sue the WTS?

    Hmm, I've been injured by a car full of JWs out preaching...due to my pain and suffering, who should I sue?

    A) The janitors & window-washers in the car who have a combined net worth of perhaps $50,000, OR

    B) The multi-billion dollar corporation that supplied them with the literature they were peddling, the territory cards they were using, the Kingdom Hall they were meeting in that morning, and weekly "encouragement" to share in that work?

    I've got a hunch that somewhere, in the vast sea of hundreds of thousands of lawyers in the US, you'd find at least a handful who'd be willing to try option B - at the very least hoping to get a settlement rather than going all the way to trial.

  • bebu
    bebu

    BB,

    That's so crazy!!

    If that were to happen again today, the trouble might be in showing that a particular synagogue had authorized this--that the mob was acting in a voluntary capacity somehow. Whom would you have sued, if the WTS hadn't stepped in?

    bebu

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