Zag
The fact that clinton was invited and moronic w bush wasn't should tell you something about the bilderburgers (they are picky about what condiments they put in ).
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Bilderberg Group - Conspiracy theory or a scary reality? (NWO)
by zagor 71 Replies latest social current
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Satanus
Wow! Abagail sure has the straight dope on those guys. I wonder, could she redo all of that w her own words and make a practical application?
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nvrgnbk
Been thinking the same thing Satanus. For a highly-secretive, dangerous group bent on detrimentally controlling humanity, these guys sure have leaked alot of damning info.
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zagor
Actually, if people such as Clinton are their products then I'm inclined to believe they are indeed a great think tank. Wish though I was able to know more about them but never mind.
And to add: when I think about it and views often expressed here it actually may be a good thing that general population doesn't have a clue about some things because for most of them that would be too much to handle anyway and wouldn't have a clue how to interpret what they are seeing. Better leave everyone in their idyllic bubble, (I'm really serious and not being sarcastic at all).
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Brother Apostate
Actually, if people such as Clinton are their products then I'm inclined to believe they are indeed a great think tank. Wish though I was able to know more about them but never mind. Why "nevermind"? One of the things that bother me is that even when a reporter is allowed into one of these NWO meetings, they are on a gag order not to report what was spoken about. The Bilderberg Group was the hidden hand behind European integration of trade and economic policy, leading to a common market free trade area, a common currency, and eventually a European Union (EU). The North American Forum will do the same on this side of the Atlantic. Both are secret and unaccountable. The press is forbidden to report on the proceedings, and whatever transpires is a mystery. In the digital age it's increasingly common for the average person in the West to have their own personal website or blog, yet the Bilderberg Group doesn't maintain a web presence. In fact, we wouldn't even know of its existence had it not been for the heroic efforts of American Free Press sleuth Jim Tucker, and the UK's Tony Gosling. http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/North_American_Forum.htm
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Brother Apostate
Actually, if people such as Clinton are their products then I'm inclined to believe they are indeed a great think tank. Wish though I was able to know more about them but never mind.
Why "nevermind"? One of the things that bother me is that even when a reporter is allowed into one of these NWO meetings, they are on a gag order not to report what was spoken about. The Bilderberg Group was the hidden hand behind European integration of trade and economic policy, leading to a common market free trade area, a common currency, and eventually a European Union (EU). The North American Forum will do the same on this side of the Atlantic. Both are secret and unaccountable. The press is forbidden to report on the proceedings, and whatever transpires is a mystery. In the digital age it's increasingly common for the average person in the West to have their own personal website or blog, yet the Bilderberg Group doesn't maintain a web presence. In fact, we wouldn't even know of its existence had it not been for the heroic efforts of American Free Press sleuth Jim Tucker, and the UK's Tony Gosling. http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/North_American_Forum.htm
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Abaddon
abbagail
Oh Abaddon, Abaddon... laugh away... and enjoy it while you can...
Your namesake gives away your allegiance, so who is surprised at your attitude?
Revelation 9:11 -- And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew [is] Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.
What makes you think it is my namesake? Silly human fool! Bwahahahaha! Bwahahahaha! I and my demon children will come to you in the night!! Bwahahahah! The black helicopters have been dispatched and are hovering silently outside your home!!!
Look, seek professional help, okay? My mate Neil is not Jesus, he's mentally ill. You do not have a unique insight on the Bible and current history, you are mentally ill.
Brother Apostate
Are you seriously saying you believe that the theory of natural selection originates from the occult? Or was that ironic?
zagor
That is an interesting comment by you Abaddon, I would still appreciate if you submit your thoughts in a respectful manner.
Why? Should I pander to delusional conspiracists or those who believe that they have a unique scriptural insight?
I started this thread and do not ridicule any opinion no matter how extreme they may appear to me.
Good for you. I see equal value in calling spades spades.
I wanted to have a frank and open discussion about it. Ridiculing something just shuts down the investigation.
I ridiculed one thing in particular;
At least there are a couple of sane voices. Some, however, seem to have learned nothing about the dangers of sub-moronic Biblical numerology or the standards of evidence that extraordinary claims should have. Such people are so caught up in their own end-times psycho drama they miss the obvious faults in what passes for their 'logic'.
By all means let me know whether you believe in such nonsense; if you don't, please let me know why you feel taking delusional people seriously is a good idea.
And that is what this board is all about to help people deal with certain issues not to shut them down, because if you do you are more likely to solidify their beliefs in things that may appear on fringe to you.
From experience I disagree. You get nowhere by pandering or being condescending to people and making them think you take them seriously. Only by making people examine their beliefs, defend their beliefs, do you have any chance of having them become receptive to change. You might feel subterfuge is the best way for this, you're not clear. I feel honesty is best. I have a friend who went through a messianic phase a while back; smacking his nonsense right back at him was the best thing I could have done; underneath any prevailing mental condition, these people aren't normally stupid you know.
As regards Gemini 5, well; Cooper has alleged the US government was covering up UFO's...
Most people realise when they think about it that what we have in the shops now is often available to some extent in prototype form maybe 20 years previously.
Whether it is this that lies at the heart of the story, or Cooper's imagination conflating later satellite photography with what he did then, I don't know.
Here's an example of what we know NOW was state-of-the-art in the mid 1960's;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Janeskh11leakedphoto.jpg
This would have been achieved with a 2.3m mirror giving about 6" theoretical resolution; not quite good enough for a number plate. Whatever photographic equipment Gemini 5 had, it didn't include a camera like that; Gemini was the size of a VW Beetle.
Of course, this is from very low Earth orbit. And time-over-target for such is low; orbital times would be c. 1.5-2 hours. Geo-sync satellites have infinite time-over-target but poorer resolution being around 100 times further away.
As with the Bildenburg group, most room for speculation is removed by a little bit of research. Physics is a good starting point to determine the capabilities of spy satellites.
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TopHat
Gota GO, will be back to read more on this fascinating subject and give my opinion
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daystar
Didn't read all posts, so sorry if this has already been posted - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
I also like reading www.disinfo.com on occasion.
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abbagail
Thanks to Bro. Apostate, for your sensible comments as one who has done some homework.
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Wow! Abagail sure has the straight dope on those guys. I wonder, could she redo all of that w her own words and make a practical application?
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Why re-word excellent articles written by people who explain what they know from their own research in better ways than I could re-word it? -- which would take forever anyway, but if you insist, lol, here goes...
And for practical application, here's an outline of how this will "practically" apply to those who choose to be here for it...
* NEW WORLD ORDER, One World Society, One World Religion, One World Economy. That's the plan.
* 10 earthwide Superstate Regions with 10 "Heads of [those] States"
* North American Union will be one of the 10.
* When WW3 breaks out in the Middle East, all H will break loose all over the world, disasters (man-made), chaos, financial collapse, EQs, manipulated virus outbreaks (avian flu or whatever they want to "get you with" -- added that for YOUR sake, lol), nuclear war, etc.
* They are saving all of the Biggie Biggie disasters to all occur simulaneously. 9/11 was merely their little "coming out party." You ain't seen nuttin' yet.
* Food shortages, gas shortages, etc.
* Their ultimate goal to "re-wild" so-far-over-50% of America (see Man & Biosphere website, part of the UN, for a list) with little to NO human habitation in those areas.
* Humans will be forcefully concentrated into certain areas of the country, including internment camps.
* Martial Law. Police State.
* No more Constitution.
* No more private property.
* Big Brother.
* World Ruler makes entrance on world stage to negotiate peace in Middle East. World rejoices, sucks up to this charismatic character, whatever he wants, people will give him because they will be duped for not educating themselves in advance. He will "win them over" with "lying signs and wonders," and the world will follow him admiringly.
* Everybody's relieved for awhile, suckered in by the new "world savior" who made WW3 go away. Ahhhh, take a breather, life ain't so bad afterall! Lookie! Peace & Security!
* Give it 3.5 years, and this World Savior will show his true colors, will do a Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde turn-around in his personality; he will defile the rebuilt Temple in Israel; the Jews will now see him for what he truly is and be horrified because they were duped by him.
* His close associate, the One World Religious Leader (possibly next pope?) will at this time have a part in forcing everyone on the planet to receive the mark so they can buy and sell.
* The mark is NOT the RFID implantable chips, but is an occult symbol (likely hexagram) and will be part of the Luciferian Initiation into the One World Occult Society, as all these guys running the show are Luciferians, and they will have a fully-occult society, at least for a short while, 3.5 years at the max. This is what they want, and have wanted for centuries, generational families through millenia, and God is going to let them have it. This is the Mystery of Iniquity which the apostle Paul spoke of. And God will let any of you have it with them if that is your desire.
* Don't take the mark and you will die sooner, possibly by beheading, but will live forever with the Lord.
* Take the mark and you will keep living sooner, and then will live forever in hell later.
* Don't believe it, I wouldn't want you to believe it now, heaven forbid, so you can prepare your mental and spiritual self; just log it in your brain for future reference, and carry on, as usual.
* During the last 3.5 years of the Dr. Jekyl World Ruler's reign, it will be pure hell. You will think the first 3.5 years were a piece of cake compared.
* When the world is at the brink of total destruction, and tiny Israel is about to be extinguished out of existence, Jesus will return in a flame of glory, and every eye will see him, including the World Ruler, the False Religious Leader, and everyone/anyone who WANTS to be around during this time frame.
Too many details to recall them all. So much more. There are so many agendas going down it's almost impossible to keep up with them all. Try subscribing to any number of news sites that report as events unfold. If you prefer books to news articles, then READ BOOKS, there's a ton out there. If you prefer visuals to reading, then stock up on videos and DVDs, there's a ton out there. People have been watching/reporting the developments of the NWO since the mid-last-century and some earlier. There is tons of credible documentation.
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Speaking of documentation, someone else here wrote:
"For a highly-secretive, dangerous group bent on detrimentally controlling humanity, these guys sure have leaked alot of damning info."
They aren't "leaking" really, because they really don't care (well, the Bildy's got bent in 2005 about THEIR cover being blown, or so they SAID). But the CFR has its own website, the Trilateral Commission has its own website, the Masons have their own website, the New Agers/House of Theosophy have their own website, the Rosicrucians have their own website, all the "global think tanks"' have their own websites (anything with "Institute" on the end of it, practically), etc. They don't care if people KNOW. What they DO care about is anybody trying to STOP them. They BANK on the fact that people will NOT believe what they hear and read. And, hello, it's working with probably at least 90-percent of the people who visit this forum.
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What the plan is involves concentration and centralization. exdubs should be able to relate to the 'centralizing' of authority as that is exactly what the WT org is. These guys are the same:
* Concentrate and centralize the Media (all media in the USA is now under the thumb of only seven mega individuals and corporations, as compared to 16,000 prior independents).
* Concentrate and centralize the Banks, Mortgage Companies, Insurance Companies, financial institutions, etc. (how many mergers have you heard about over the past few years? Watch the business news, they are always merging, this bigger fish eating up that big fish, etc.)
* Concentrate and centralize Education for the continuing dumbing-down, and social reengineering of America, starting with the kids (locals don't decide what is taught, the national NEA does, etc. NEA is backed by Rockefeller, btw)
* Concentrate and Centralize Communications (phones, cable, etc.)
* Concentrate and Centralize everything, from Religion, to Food Supply, to Medicine, just think in terms of every avenue of society.
With all arms of society centralized, it's easier to control just a few head-honchos, all from the top down. Just think of the NWO as a big giant WT Society ruling the world, lol. And that is NOT a "play on words" w/ WT-theology.
(Makes ya wonder where the WT got the idea from...)
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On the matter of the Bilderbergs, which is the topic of this thread:
This section is quoted from a Bilderberg document entitled, "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars" and was published in William Cooper's 1991 book, "Behold a Pale Horse," pg. 57:
1. "Diversion Summary -- Keep the people busy and preoccupied with other things than politics
a. Media: Keep the adult public attention diverted away from the real social issues, and captivated by matters of no real importance.
b. Schools: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real economics, real law and real history.
c. Entertainment: Keep the public entertainment below a sixth-grade level.
d. Work: Keep the public busy, busy, busy, with no time to think; back on the farm with the other animals."
e. "Entertainment Distractions -- In order that the masses themselves may not guess what we are about, we further distract them with amusements, games, pastimes, passions ... Soon we shall begin, through the press, to propose competitions in art, in sport of all kinds: these interests will finally distract their minds ..."
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"Behold A Pale Horse", by William Cooper, published by Light Technology Publishing, Sedona, AZ, 1991, p. 57.
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