AN EXAMPLE OF HOW J.W.'S PLAY THE "GUILT CARD"

by Warlock 25 Replies latest jw experiences

  • zack
    zack

    Whatever you do, DO NOT GIVE IN. I personally cannot stomach sitting at a meeting. I had to go to the "Special" talk, but have not been to a meeting since. It is

    simply way too difficult. To me it feels like I am the sane person inside a lunatic assylum. Today was the Faithful Discreet Slave WT STudy (which Blondie was good enough skewer)

    I could not have kept my mouth shut had I gone to that meeting.

    So, stay strong, and DO NOT GIVE IN. This is your time, now. And if you are anything like me, you don't want to live in a world ruled by a God that is going to kill

    99.99% of every one He is allowing to be born, do you? The JW God is not the God any sane human being would want to live under.

  • logic
    logic

    A person has to do what he has to do. In my case I do go with my wife to the meetings. Been doing it for a few years even after I mentally removed myself. I use the WTC bull, I'm in the world but not a part of it. I am able to occupy myself with other things. Occasionaly I catch a point and write it down for my wife, for instance when a scripture does not have anything to do with what is being said. Over time I have been able to make some headway with my wife. Believe me, at first it was hard, because sometimes I wanted to just stand up and scream , "that is big bunch of crap." People who know me know that I can be very outspoken at times, which has made my life difficult more than I can count. I had to get a lot older before I realize you can talk to people better if you don't tick them off. Took me along time to realize my wife won't talk to me when she is ticked off at me. I never claimed to be overly smart. Patience was never one of my virtues, but age is taking care of that. As far as field service, I just put my time in for talking to my wife. I have been doing this for years now, and have not had any problems. One good thing is occasionaly I am able to make a comment at the bookstudy . For instance the Society not knowing whether the Alpha and Omega is either Jesus or Jehovah in the Revelation book, got a big kick out of that. Even quoted other publications with the same problem. It got so quite I thought everyone died of a heartattack.

  • delilah
    delilah

    ((((((((((((Warlock))))))))))))) Doesn't it just frazzle your last nerve when they play that damned guilt card???? That's what finally did it for me....I was so tired of being made to feel GUILTY all the freaking time, about everything pertaining to the JW religion. I quit.

    My father has even said to me in the past, "your kids will die at armageddon", to which I retorted, " I don't believe God is as cruel as the JW's believe he is dad, and I'm not afraid anymore. I have NO GUILT" He's never said it since. However, it doesn't mean he won't try it again in the future...he seems to go on rampages every now and then.

    That's how the GB keeps the flock under control. The use of guilt, and fear. It's disgusting. I want no part of any god, or religion, who use fear and guilt to control people.

    Hang in there....you have many friends here, who know how you feel.

    Delilah

  • Mary
    Mary
    On the way there, she starts again. "The brothers miss you" "I don't like sitting alone" "I never thought it was going to get this way". Guilt. Guilt. Guilt.

    Yep. I got that alot when I stopped going. And to a great degree, I did feel guilty, even though I knew the religion was a crock. That's what being raised in a cult does to you. Good news is Warlock, those guilty feelings fade with time and will eventually disappear. Nothing reinforces it more then when you actually DO go to a meeting and you realize just how far you've come.

    I finally told her "Look, I'll go back when I'm ready". Then she goes on about how Jah is not going to wait for me. When the end comes I'm gonna die.......blah, blah, blah.

    Ya whatever.......that's by the Slobbering Body's Guide, not God's.

    After what I have experienced here, with all of you, and some of the books I've read while being inactive, and actually THINKING for myself again, I don't know what's going to happen when I have to finally set my butt in one of the seats for a meeting, other that the Memorial. I really don't.

    I can already tell you: you're either going to go mental from boredom, or when you listen to the crap spewing from the speaker on the platform, it's going to really piss you off and you'll end up refusing to go to anymore. I plan on going to the ASSembly one day this summer (oh lord jesus I'm not looking forward to it!) so I can post on here how often 'postates are mentioned. I'm sure it'll piss me off royally but it's one day so I'll try and endure it.

  • IsaacJS2
    IsaacJS2

    I'm with Delilah and some of the others on this one. This is a very blatant attempt to manipulate you into doing something she knows you don't want to do. Shouldn't she be the one who feels guilty for trying to twist her husband around her little finger this way? Here you are, driving her to the meeting and supporting her--despite the fact that you disagree with her beliefs--and she can't show you the same respect? This sort of manipulation is very disrespectful of you and you don't deserve it. Don't you feel some outrage over being used this way?

    No one is perfect and I'm not trying to pick on your wife or anything. But people who do things like this don't do them for you. They may tell themselves that--they'll surely tell you that--but it just ain't so. She's doing this for herself. I know, because I'm also married to an active Witness. She just wants you to go to the meetings so she'll feel better about things, even if it's a your expense. She probably feels guilty that she hasn't somehow converted you already, and seeing other wives with their husbands at the meetings makes her feel kinda lonely. That's understandable, but it doesn't justify her doing this to you. Many Witnesses are lucky to be married to a non-Witness spouse who just stays out of their way, much less one who supports their WT activities because they respsect them as much as you do your wife. She is making you responsible for this, but you are not the one doing this to her. She is doing it to herself. She is responsible. Don't let her use your love for her against you.

    I don't know what she knows about your feelings regarding the WT, but I suggest you have a talk with her. Be straight with her on the guilt mongering if nothing else. It'll shame her, just a little, to realize that you know exactly what she's been doing all along once you say it out loud. Instead of avoiding the issue the way people often do, tell her you don't like it or appreciate it and why it's wrong. Make it a heart to heart. That should be the center of the discussion. Don't let her make it about Jehovah or the WT or anything like that. It's about how she treats you, despite how well you've treated her. And "I'm doing it for Jehovah" doesn't wash. Make it clear that you're holding her responsible for her actions, not Jehovah--she can't argue too much with that. That may be enough to get her to back off.

    If all else fails, show her some articles about wives who nag their husbands. She can't argue with the WT either. :-)

    IsaacJ

  • averyniceguy
    averyniceguy

    You can put it mildly that you do not want to talk about it anymore. I did say that to my JW parents and I have treated them very nicely, so they rarely mention anything spiritual. Maybe my advice will work for you.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Later for all that $hit bro!

    Don't look back!

    You'll be turned into a pillar of house-to-house slips!

  • MsMcDucket
    MsMcDucket

    She stated: "Your father must be brain washing you again!" .....(Who Are You on this forum).....My son responded, "No Gramma, you are being brain washed and have been for 70 years 3 times a week!" and then walked out the door.

    It's ironic that the JW say "sometimes your brain needs to be washed", but on the otherhand, they don't want anybody else "washing it"!

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    ang-That's basically what stopped the conversation. I told her that I was done talking about it.

    Scully- She had difficulty getting out of bed because she has 2 medical conditions that make it difficult. I have to keep telling her to take it easy. She shouldn't have gone.

    Everyone else- I have had several conversations with her about various issues regarding "the truth", but you know how that goes..................NOWHERE, when you talk to a J.W.

    I thank you all for your comments.

    I know that YOU ALL KNOW what it's like. That is why I love you all.

    Warlock

  • steve2
    steve2

    Is she your soulmate or not? Is she the most important person in the whole wide world to you? If she is, use reverse-guilt:

    Tell her how much you miss one-to-one company with her when she's at the Hall. Tell her that being together with her, having special time, is so important to you. Make her enjoy being in your company so much that being at the Hall pales by comparison.

    On the other hand, if she's not your soulmate, but someone you are "just" married to, ditch her and get a life free from guilt.

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