by BR25 64 Replies latest jw friends
In support of this statement:
>>CURRENTLY NO Witness is allowed to celebrate his or anybody's birthday without risk of expulsion. This policy is found nowhere in the bible.
you might enjoy reading this: http://www.thebentinel.com/jw-birthdays.html
It takes the "reasoning" of the Watchtower on the birthday issue and shows that it is incorrect and not consistent. (And it's relatively short)
Dave
I'm not an athiest, I'm agnostic. I admit that there is the possibility of a higher, more intelligent being that may be at least partly responsible for how we came about...but I don't believe in the Christian god, the Muslim god or any other god as worshipped.
3- Therefore, the Universe, that had a beginning, must also have a Cause. That Cause, in my opinion is God.
4-The bible, in my opinion, is a reliable source of information. It claims to be authored by God. There is an abundance of evidence that it could be authored by God. As briefly listed on another thread (now defunct) here is a very short list of reasons why I believe the bible is from God and thus a reliable, trustworthy source of information today:
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Is it possible then that this bible is from God? I believe it is possible, and even very probable. If so, if it is from God himself, then the very question as to how life arrived is answered. Because it also tells the reader that God himself made these things that we see today. No soup-like conditions that somehow evolved into the beautiful yet complex systems we see surrounding us today. It answers many of man's perplexing questions. Does it answer everything? No, it does not. Yet it does say there are new scrolls to be opened. It talks about everlasting life being possible for those that believe and apply God's sons teachings in his life. A life where death and pain and mourning are things of the past. Not the kind of life we see today. It promises these things we see causing pain and death and heartaches will be done away completely and permanently. That is a beautiful hope. Many other answers, too many to list here are given as well. If the bible is true then, the human race has much to look forward to.
For me, it does make sense. It does offer hope. It is worth putting my trust in. It does offer answers as well as a good measure of comfort. It is believable."
5- The bible tells us that God had NO beginning.
Psalm 90:2 ...Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.
psalm 93:2... You are from time indefinite to time indefinite.
Isaiah 57:15 ....God is ‘the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity’
Revelation 15:3 ...righteous and true are your ways, King of Eternity.Revelation 15:3 ...righteous and true are your ways, King of Eternity.
If the bible is inspired of God (as I have sound reason to believe, by the reasons posted above), and if what it says is true that God had No Beginning, where then is the need for a Cause or designer? This is perhaps the crux of my argument then; NOBODY created God, because according inspired scripture, God had no beginning, hence eliminating the need for a cause altogether. This is the only example, the one sole instance where this principle would apply. All other features of the universe including the earth as well as all life on the earth, the spirit world and anything else anywhere, had a beginning and thus demands a cause. God, the intelligent designer himself, exclusively, is this one sole exception.
Speaking of circular logic...
God exists and created all things because the Bible says so. The Bible is true because it was written by God.
you might enjoy reading this: http://www.thebentinel.com/jw-birthdays.html
Thanks AA, for that link.
Where is God now, and what is He up to?
TRY wiggling off the hook because red vette aint living, breathing, self-replicating life form, you are then BURIED by the fact that neither is the earth, moon, sun, and stars or universe living, breathing, self-replicating life forms. Neither is atmosphere, water cycles, photosynthesis, weather systems etc living breathing self-replicating life forms. But I already addressed that in the other threads.
hey condescending theist, YOU SUCK!
and heres why, your red corvette theory is great, so is the banana theory and the peanut butter theory... these are all wonderful ideas, but im sorry to tell you, none of this actually proves anything... so while you call atheists stupid and laugh your arrogant laugh, realize that YOUR god has proven nothing... if he is there, he does nothing... he does not show himself...
so lets put this into your pipe now, condescending theist;
i felt the wind blowing by my ear today... and it went by very quickly and then stopped. at that point, instead of thinking, oh it was the wind, i realized it had to have been a purple flying monkey. though i could not see it, the wind that brushed up against my ear proved that a purple flying monkey exists... what do you mean you don't believe that? it sounds ubsurd? but i proved that its there because i know what colour it is, and i felt the wind.... that proves that there is a purple monkey!!!
see, as ridiculous as it sounds, this is exactly what your argument is... and the problem here is this; not that i don't believe that there is a god... the problem is that i don't believe that you honestly think you are better than me because you believe in something that you cannot prove exists, and neither can anyone else... something that no one can see....
i am not a theist... and if god is there, well, tell the muther to get off his lazy ass and do something about this world we're living in.. and condescending theist, learn to live and let live, im willing to do it! debate is great, until people start talking like you do
the infamous one
Professor Viinny writes: "Now ATHEISTS, I have addressed your questions. It is time for you to answer mine."
Um, no. You have not addressed a single question because you have no answers capable of transcending the bullshit permeating your brainwashed fundy mind. What you are, is a TURD POLISHER, and a lousy one at that.....................
Professor Vinny writes: "Please tell those following this thread just how these very complicated systems in the universe and the earth, along with all life forms upon the earth ORIGINATED. Just how did they START?"
This is simply absurdist, circular logic you are spewing. Complicated by whose standards? They are complex because you perceive them as such from a limited psychological perspective. In any case, your POINT IS MOOT. You propose some mythical god-creature creating these same elements OUT OF NOTHING, and cannot even postulate an explanation for the "origin" of your fantasy, supernatural being, for which you have ZERO evidence, save for your ridiculous, emotional arguments and "special pleading".
Professor Vinny writes: "If Science cannot create life, from non-living matter, in a controlled, scientific environment, nor give life BACK to a dead person or animal (though having all the parts needed right in front of them),
Completely ridiculous analogy. Science is not the entity "claiming" to have "created" life. Science is a method of inquiry, but since I doubt you are educated beyond the 5th grade you probably have not covered any philosophy of empirical reasoning in your educational career. Why cant scientists "give back" life to a dead person? Gee, moron, do ya' think it just MAY have something to do with the fact that a dead cell and its molecular machinery DISINTEGRATES within seconds of death? And no, scientists do not "have all the parts needed in front of them"...are you really that ignorant of basic biology? Do you think you can pick up mitochondria with a pair of tweezers and pop it into a dead cell to bring it back to life? Most 3rd graders understand this level of biology.
Professor Vinny writes: "then how could all these very things come to exist without ANY intellectual force behind them at all? Just FELL into place?"
And yet, you seem to be able to continue posting on this board "without ANY intellectual force" propelling you, so maybe miracles DO happen? LOL...............
And your Corvette analogy? Arguably the most stupid "pro-creationist" load of tripe I have ever heard.....The Watchtower could not have done a better job with such contrived, idiotic logic.
Vinny.
Now the whole reason why I brought up this topic is because if all these topics about witnesses have truth behind them I guess Athiesm would be the way to go. I am not necessarily saying that is the way I would go , I was trying to come up with a logical conclusion.
I have had conversations with people of other christian faiths, and I dont agree with all their teachings either. In all honestly there are many gray areas. Even though many people who have been jws on here disown the jw faith now, it still gives some helpful insight about other religions and why there are false. Even if I would prove myself to be wrong on what I believe I would not believe in any other faith either. NOTE: this is not because I am blindsided by my faith either, because I have been away from the JW faith for some time. I have no problem making up my own mind. I was never babtized so I have little pressure on me at all.
I believe many christian people of different faiths meen well, but I believe they are no more important to me than the jw faith is to people on here. This is not because of how I was raised either, but because of what I know, read and conversated with people of other christian faith. This is why I came up with the whole athiest topic.
Folks, it's Time to SPANK THE ATHEISTS.
You see, your monkey thing does not even apply here.
**********YES IT DOES!
It applies way more than the pathetic little corvette does to atheists! You offer no justification for your claim that this doesn't apply little Vanny. Prove it doesn't fit. No don't because you can't. Because you and I are both aware that one supernatural entity is just as silly as the next.*
Purple flying monkeys, invisible pink unicorns, gods, flying spaghetti monsters, fairies, elves. They're all the same.
***Bwaa haa haa!!! ROTFLOL !!!!1!! N00B U SUX LOL!
From now on, whenever I look at you, I'll see a big purple winged monkey sitting RIGHT ON YOUR HEAD. You earned it Vinnie! It's your baby for life and you know it! Because you can't explain god without circular logic!
Hey everyone, look at little venny, he's got a winged purple monkey on his head! That's not very attractive Vunny, the other kindergardeners will make fun of you and your PURPLE MONKEY.
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*****LOL I'm busting a gut laughing at the little theist.
Bwaa haa haa haa haa!!!!!1!!! LOOK AT WHAT HE'S TRYING TO SELL YOU, VINY BELIEVES IN FLYING PURPLE MONKIES... If you buy into that let me sell you some real-estate in heaven LOLs.
Sorry I'm the one who has to tell you this, but that's the bed you have made for yourself vonnie.
(Sorry everyone... I couldn't resist... but I'm pretty sure everyone will agree I was at least partly justified in that. [exept Vinny] Just in case you're ashamed of me, I feel it neccessary to point out that I was only mimicking Vinny, and I'm not normally that obnoxious.)
Lore
Edited to add: Although... I will definately be remembering that purple flying monkey the next time Vinny shows up spouting hate speach.
your ignorance of the basis for evolution, and indeed science is quite amusing.
It didn't just appear out of nothing, as would have been the case if your god figure created everything, what actually happened was a long series of very small changes which moved things from one state to another state - baby steps, not emormous leaps of faith needed to believe that the spaghetti monster made everything.
If everything is hugely complex then it's creator would need to be hugely complex and hence needing a creator - you shoot yourself in the foot. Bravo.
