Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-20-07 WT Review (Humbly Submit) (page 3)

jgnat

Australian JW's buy war bonds and hold commercial interests in WW 2 http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/88576/1.ashx/War+Bonds+WW2+Australia

tijkmo

13) A third reason for our willingly cooperating with the overseers is that they keep watch over us "as those who will render an account." Overseers remember that they are undershepherds, serving under the heavenly Shepherds, Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. (Ezekiel 34:22-24) Jehovah is the Owner of the sheep, whom "he purchased with the blood of his own Son," and He holds the appointed overseers accountable for the way they treat His flock, which should be "with tenderness." (Acts 20:28, 29) Hence, all of us are answerable to Jehovah for the way we respond to his direction. (Romans 14:10-12) Our obedience to the appointed elders also gives evidence of our submission to Christ , the Head of the congregation.-Colossians 2:19.

the elders on my jc are in a helluva lot of trouble then...

for not applying points 1 & 2..

although to be fair they did do it with joy..(point 4)

willyloman

To paraphrase Adam: "What? Not me! It's those damned elders you gave me."

blondie

Great comments, everyone.

How many JWs know that the WTS did this in the past?

*** jv chap. 14 p. 191 "They Are No Part of the World" ***

The

WatchTower urged the Bible Students to join in observing May 30, 1918, as a day of prayer and supplication in connection with the outcome of the world war. Were these just bad elders or the decision of the the WTS Administration?

juni

I don't know how you do it girl. You are a faithful and tireless elderette!

Thanks Blondie for posting the study even when you're not feeling good. I'm on some meds now for my arthritis - so far don't notice much difference.

Take care hon.

Love, Juni

lrkr

It is interesting how Ray Franz in ISOCF talks about how the phrases overseer, elder, shepherd, etc when read from the text are references to qualities and actions of individuals- not of heirarchical positions granted by a central authority. All of the scriptures that are used to defend and consolidate authority take on a different cast when you consider this.

Arthur

I would encourage everyone to go out and buy the book: Churches That Abuseby Ronald M. Enroth. Enroth spent many years researching Bible cults and abusive churches. You will find striking similarities in some of these groups with the Watchtower organization. He even prints excerpts from some of these group's newsletters and periodicals which sound eerily similar to WT study articles.

As always, blondie, you have done an excellent job. I think that you can now consider yourself a card-carrying member of the "Evil Slave Class".

heathen

Just shut up and do what you're told .............. If an elder is a complete shmuck God will smite him, you still have to obey without complaint or Jehovah will smite you . I think that sums it all up nicely.

Thanks Blondie

Arthur

I would like to say something about congregation elders that is important. Often, they are not at fault for some of the issues in the congregations because they must submit to organizational instructions and policies, regardless of how they might truly feel on a matter. I believe that the elders are micro-managed by the legalism of the organization which prevents them from fulfilling their true potential as shepherds. Elders can be removed if they do not fall in line with policies that are dictated to them by the headquarters. An prime example of this is in the organizational pedophile policies, of which people like Bill Bowen are quite aware.

I know of many elders who are wonderful people, but their hands are tied, in a sense by organizational policies. They are not able to give nearly as much attention to shepherding as they wanted to, because they were so busy with the business functions of being an elder. And now, with the new conductor guidelines that have been issued, elders are further restricted in their attempts to make meeting parts and studies more educational and stimulating.

I think that the elder bodies are just cogs in the wheels of the big beauracracy of the organization; much like the r & f. I think that it is this authoritarian; top-down business model of the organization that stifles the elder bodies in many ways. The idea that the Watchtower organization is a close reflection of first-century Christianity is a joke.

xjwms

All I did was see the title......There is now way on earth I could sit through that, none..None NONE

Thank you Blondie...it must have been tough to review that one. However, just getting to par 16

I now have amo.

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 5-20-07 WT Review (Humbly Submit)

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