HELP

by Kophagangelos 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    Hi Kophagangelos,

    I agree with Sweetone2377. I would add, make up your mind if you want to stay in the cult, if you do then be prepared to kiss a lot of rear. If you want to leave the borg then do it right, prepare your letter of disassociation, (you can find one at http://www.macgregorministries.org )let the elders meet with you and as they are all ready to dump on you with their self-righteous pious authority, inform them that you have discovered what a lying, deceptive, unclean organization they represent and that you must therefor seperate yourself from them. Make it worth your while.

    borgfree

    "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
  • Kophagangelos
    Kophagangelos

    I understand, borgfree! But it is not easy, i would lost the home because the home belongs the brother! Here is not easy to find the new home. I have no friends in the world!

  • nytelecom1
    nytelecom1

    u play u pay

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    Hi Kophagangelos,

    I have been there, probably most of us have. It is a descision you will have to make. I left and lost all of my family, now after about 9 years my son has left and I can see a daughter about ready to leave. That may never have happened if I had not made the choice to leave first,myself.

    borgfree

    "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
  • Kophagangelos
    Kophagangelos
    prepare your letter of disassociation, (you can find one at http://www.macgregorministries.org )

    Sorry, i found not! Where exactly? Thank you

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    Nytelecom1,

    I know you cannot help but be cruel, that is the way the borg teaches you, but, your words now WILL come back to haunt you.

    borgfree

    "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Koph: Sadly, since the Elders are already aware of your visiting web sites and forums that have critical information of the Watch Tower, there is not much you can do now. But, if you have family concerns and need to remain a JW - in name only - so you can continue family ties, this requires something that you may find objectionable - that is - fake reprentance and confusion because of critical ex-JW information.

    If you are convincing enough, and ask them to 'set you straight' and 'readjust your thinking' you may be able to remain, although on restrictions. You will be watched closely, and it will take a long time to live down the distrust created by your searching into ex-JW sites.

    If you find you cannot do this, then it is only a matter of time before they choose to disfellowship you for apostasy. There is little hope of convincing them that they are in error, or getting them to write to the Society foir clarification. Even if they accomodate you for a time and write to the Society, the response from the Watch Tower will be of little comnfort, and will side-step you issues, and you will eventually be disfellowshipped.

    I was forcibly 'Disassociated' in 1995 because I expressed such concerns, and because the Elders believed lies about me, which were based on rumors they themselves started. Even though I tried to leave quietly, it took three years, and they found a way to 'officially' remove me from their organization. So, I have been where you are at now - and having served as an Elder before I left, I know this from both sides of the issue.

    If you do not 'repent' in their eyes, then prepare yourself and your family for the worst. There are some verses in the Bible, though, that may help you buy some time with the Elders, by helping them to see you as weak, in need of help and guidance:

    Acts 20:35, "In all things I gave you an example, that so laboring you ought to help the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that he himself said, It is more blessed to give than to receive."

    Jude 1:21-22, "... keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And on some have mercy, who are in doubt;"

    Gal 6:1-2, "Brothers, even if a man be overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; looking to yourself, lest you also would be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ."

    Heb 5:12-14, "For when by reason of the time you ought to be teachers, you have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food. For every one that partakes of milk is without experience of the word of righteousness; for he is a babe. But solid food is for fullgrown men, (even) those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil."

    I truly hope that you can make use of these verses, and appeal to the Elders to be slow to judge, and help you with mercy. But, all this said, you still have your conscience and the information that you know is truth, and if that conflicts with Watch Tower teaching and actions, then you must decide whether to try and stay in the organization in some way, or simply leave it and move on with your life. - Amazing

  • Kophagangelos
    Kophagangelos

    Amazing, Only I am JW in the family! My family is catholic!

    Thank you for the advice!

  • borgfree
    borgfree

    Kophagangelos,

    Sorry, it may not be posted on the MacGregor site, but go there and email Keith Macgregor ( there will be a (contact us)button) to email him. He will be glad to forward a sample disassociation letter to you. The address again is http://www.macgregorministries.org/ Hope that helps.

    borgfree

    "You can fool some of the people all of the time" especially if you are a member of the WT GB
  • nytelecom1
    nytelecom1
    but, your words now WILL come back to haunt you.

    i dont believe in hauntings. for further informations please read
    the article "can the dead harm you?" ..published by the Watchtower
    bible and tract society

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