'War on terror' dividing world, Amnesty warns

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  Tyrone van leyen

  Gill, I agree with alot of what you say. I realize that there are alot of innocent Muslims and moderate folks who will get burned in this business. It seems like they are almost practising ethnic cleansinga and even getting the Iraqi kindergarten children to vow to fight. These are people that blow themselves up at weddings funerals foodstands etc. They even at times engage women in suicide attacks. In Palestine they raise there kids with the same violent brainwashing.

  I know the states has made terribly embarassing mistakes in Iraq like abu Gharaib prison but I don't think its fair to blame an entire army for the mistakes of a few loose cannons that have either been effected by what they have seen or wern't stable to begin with.

  Idealism is great. It would be nice just to perform an operation to weed out the bad apples but in reality it is impossible. I totally agree that education is the answer but again in reality there has to be stability on the ground and an atmopshre of peace to acheive that end. They are killing far more of there own people than the States is.

  In the United States a poll on Aol news showed that at least 8% of American Muslims think that at least under some circumstances that suicide bombings are Ok. That is quite a high figure and is totally unaccepatble. They are now in a free country and have rights they could never have dreamed of where they came from. It shows that this mentlality does not easily change even in a far better eviornment.

  I hate to say it but I think there will have to be a whole lot of suffering before these people realize the folly of there programed mindsets. It is the same way the majority of those of us that were witnesses had to go through a lot of pain and loss before we realized what an awful way to live that was.

  Unfortunarely the radicals of Islam like to kill people. That calls for a swift response and not a verbal one. They are beyond being taught anything. I am speaking of the radicals of course. I know that innocents die but they are already dieing at the hands of there own people.

  Lebanon was a good example of how democarcy was taking root and was a showcase to the middle east until the radicals popped in again. It can be done but we musn't give up.
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  ninja

  If someone invaded the US...the resisters would be heroes....in Iraq...they are radicals.....my point?....people are people the world over....the spin makes them different
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  Tyrone van leyen

  Yes Ninja, but the bottom line is what are those countries standing for and what is their agenda for the human race. Would you say it is fairness, equality, freedom, justice. Granted such high ideals, are hard to come by even in our so called advanced civilization but I think you will find far more prosperity for the human race if we suceed in stabalizing these regions and helping to show how these things are possibe. Would you like it the other way around?
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  ninja

  you weren't so happy when we were trying to "stabilize" your country in the 18th century...you threw our tea in the sea...you radicals
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  Tyrone van leyen

  Oh ya sorry bout that. But that was in Boston. I'm Canadian. But heck it worked. Look how nice we all are now. Like I said before good things can come out of really bad situations. I love Brittain. Heck even Saddam admitted he loved lots of things Brittish, but he was stuck with a country in which he had no other way of dealing with, but brutality. Given time I hope the Iraqis will appreciate the sacrifices made to stabilize their country. I repeat, I don't consider this an invasion but rather and attempt to stabilize a society that was a nightmare. I know its worse now. But things always get worse before they better.
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  uninformed

  Tyrone,

  I agree with your view and expressions you made.

  Terrorism is a tool of radical Islam, and unless all of us want to grab our rugs and face east and start praying, we had better get unified as to how to deal with these people.

  Someone said in a post above that "education" is what is needed. Most of the terrorists leaders have been educated in the US or GB.

  These people are just the personification of evil, and I for one am glad that they are fighting and dying somewhere else besides here in the US. The Iraqis have an opportunity to set up their own free government, many appreciate the effort the US has made to allow them to move toward a degree of freedom. But their religious system is not going to let them ever be free.

  Just think, most of us endured religious oppression for decades before we were able to break out, and I don't think that as bad as the WT is that it even begins to approach the wickedness of radical Islam.

  Lots of you are pretty critical of Bush. I too think he is a piss poor communicator, and after 8 years of him, I look forward to someone who can at least give an inspiring talk. But, Bush is sincere and understands the stakes. Its either them or us.

  The only way to change the course of radical Islam is to try to change the way governments in the mid-east govern. Get the power out of the hands of the radicals and the clergy.

  I don't know if there is a political-military solution to the problem that radical Islam presents to the world, but as for right now, I feel that killing the sob's at any cost is the right thing to do.

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  frankiespeakin

  Un,

  I don't know if there is a political-military solution to the problem that radical Islam presents to the world, but as for right now, I feel that killing the sob's at any cost is the right thing to do.

  That's a racist comment, if ever there was one.
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  Tyrone van leyen

  Frankie, it is people like you and Micheal moorer that weaken the resolve of the world to fight evil by making ridiculous attacks on your own people and your own president. Do you know what an enemy is. I think we have quite clearly defined it. Are you trying to blur the lines? What do you call radical islamists that teach there kids to kill and destroy and care not for human rights? It is because of people like you that your own soldeirs have to fight with kid gloves against monsters. You are not helping to unify anything in terms of a response to the evil that prevails and you know it. Define racist. You know dam well its not about race. It is about evil and good. Race was never mentioned anywhere on this thread.
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  frankiespeakin

  So do you favor indiscriminate killing?
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  Tyrone van leyen

  No sir. I do not favour killing at all. I think your soldeirs have been doing a very good job at trying not to do that, considering the situation that they are in. It is the Iraqis themselves that are pracitising the indiscriminate killing between the Sunnis and Muslims. It is the soldeirs that are trying to create order out of this Mayhem. Are you calling your soldiers indicriminate killers?