'War on terror' dividing world, Amnesty warns

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  • brinjen
    brinjen

    Where do I start, first a brief history lesson on the Bush family.

    http://www.informedvotersusa.org/BushFamilyPsychology.html

    Speaking of the nazis

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100474,00.html

    Talking Points on Terrorism and the War in Afghanistan

    Author: Organization Department

    First published 11/20/2001 18:00 by {article_topic_desc}

    First should always be expressions of sorrow and outrage about, and condemnation of, the horrific terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. Go into detail, if possible, about people one knows who were killed, injured, or affected in some way.

    Stop the Bombing!
    In Afghanistan, US carpet-bombing, missile attacks, and cluster bombs are killing thousands of civilians. This "collateral damage" violates international law and creates more innocent victims. International aid agencies estimate that if US bombing continues, 7.5 million Afghans are likely to die from starvation or exposure in the immediate future, including children, who make up more than half of the population of Afghanistan. How can this possibly end terrorism or bring to justice those responsible for the horrific killing of thousands in the US? The bombing must stop immediately so that tons of food aid can be delivered by UN and other relief agencies before the worst winter weather.

    Don't risk the lives of our youth
    US policy puts at risk the lives of our young people in the military, most of whom are the sons and daughters of workers, the poor, and the racially and nationally oppressed. The rugged terrain and weather conditions in Afghanistan means that there are likely to be heavy casualties among American ground forces.

    Don't use the tragedy to legislate against workers and poor
    Congress passed a bill granting billions to the airline industry, but refused to pass one with provisions to help laid-off airline workers. The threat of terrorism is being used to ram through legislation to benefit corporations at the expense of the vast majority of people in our country. This includes efforts to pass fast track authority for the president, giving him carte blanche to negotiate the Free Trade Agreement on the Americas (FTAA) and new WTO provisions even more detrimental to poor and working people of our country and the world.

    Don't risk a world war
    Can the campaign against terrorism justify the risks of a wider war-even a nuclear war? Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said he would not rule out the use of nuclear weapons in Afghanistan. This war is being carried out in an extremely volatile region. India and Pakistan-both possessing nuclear weapons-are in conflict over Kashmir. Other nations with a direct stake in this war, namely Russia, China, and Israel, also possess nuclear weapons. Many people in the 57 Muslim states view this war as targeted against them. This increases the risk of a wider war.

    Defend the Bill of Rights and our Civil Liberties
    Hundreds of people are being held in secrecy for questioning about the attacks? We are told this war is, among other things, to "defend freedom." Yet our civil liberties, guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, are being rapidly eroded by implementation of the newest anti-terrorism laws.

    Why not peaceful solutions?
    Shouldn't President Bush have negotiated with the Taliban when they agreed to turn over Osama bin Laden if the US presented evidence of his guilt? Horror, shock, and sympathy sounded all over the world following Sept. 11th; there was universal agreement that such terrorism is a scourge against humankind and must end. This provides unprecedented possibilities for accomplishing that goal if handled by the UN and the World Court.

    Don't violate International Law
    The US bombing of Afghanistan violates all norms of international law. The UN Charter requires that all peaceful means be exhausted before resort to war, and that military action must be decided upon by the Security Council. The Bush Administration tried unsuccessfully three times to get UN Security Council approval for the bombing. This led US representative John Negroponte to present the Security Council with a statement that the US was invoking article 51 of the Charter, which allows nations the right of self-defense. However, Article 51 refers to self-defense against attacks by nations and provides that after the initial defense is undertaken, the state in question must take the matter before the Security Council. Why not use worldwide investigative agencies and international courts to bring the perpetrators of to justice? Why did the US not agree when Sudan offered to extradite bin Laden instead of giving tacit approval for his departure to Afghanistan? He had already been named as a co-conspirator in the earlier World Trade Center bombing. (Washington Post, Oct. 31, 2001)

    Don't use the "war on terrorism" to destroy the ABM treaty.
    The Bush administration is relentlessly pushing ballistic missile defense, which would violate the ABM Treaty and unleash a new nuclear arms race. These programs will bring additional billions in profit to military/aerospace industries, drain the paychecks of US workers, and destroy social programs and infrastructure rebuilding.

    Why did the CIA train and support bin Laden?
    Why did the CIA, working through the Pakistan intelligence service, train tens of thousands of mujahedeen in Afghanistan, providing them with the stinger missiles now being used against US forces? Why did the US provide financial backing to the Taliban as recently as last spring?
    Why do they hate us? Why would "they" want to terrorize us?
    They don't. Most people around the world make a distinction between the people and the foreign policies of the US Reporters in Pakistan, when asked about the "anti-American" mood in that country, have emphasized that the demonstrations were against US government polices, not against Americans. Terrorism never benefits the just struggles of working people, the poor, dispossessed and oppressed of the world.

    Change US foreign policy
    There are over 1.3 billion people living on less than $1 a day. Two-thirds of humanity lives in poverty. The chasm between the rich few and the billions of poor is rapidly widening. Much suffering can be attributed to US policies, which promote "free-trade," privatization, and globalization on behalf of the giant transnational corporations and banks. The "war against terrorism" would be greatly aided if the US: 1) adhered to UN Security resolutions on the rights of Palestinians and stopped supplying massive aid to Israel; 2) agreed to the establishment of the International Criminal Court (which it has opposed thus far), and; 3) ratified the Terrorist Bombing Convention now languishing in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

    Other changes must include that the US:
    o Abide by the UN Charter and seek to solve international problems through that body;
    o Adhere to international treaties-including the ABM treaty;
    o Sign and implement the Kyoto treaty on global warming;
    o No fast track authority to the president, no to FTAA, NAFTA and the WTO;
    o Return to UN jurisdiction over economic problems, instead of continuing to hand them over to the World Bank, IMF and WTO, dominated by the US and other wealthy nations. Implement the Declaration and Plan of Action for a New International Economic Order (NIEO), the best alternative to the current corporate globalization running roughshod over the world.
    o Stop acting on behalf of the corporations and banks. Afghanistan which is strategically located near Central Asia possesses the second largest oil and gas reserves on our planet, and is the prime route for a major pipeline. Permanent military bases in the region are one goal of the US in Afghanistan.
    o Reduce military spending and devote the trillions saved to provide for the needs of Americans and people around the world.

    Seeing any pattern? Wait, there's more!

    The Devil in the Details: The CIA and Saddam Hussein

    "The coup that brought the Ba'ath Party to power in 1963 was celebrated by the United States.

    The CIA had a hand in it. They had funded the Ba'ath Party - of which Saddam Hussein was a young member - when it was in opposition.
    US diplomat James Akins served in the Baghdad Embassy at the time. Mr. Akins said, "I knew all the Ba'ath Party leaders and I liked them".

    "The CIA were definitely involved in that coup. We saw the rise of the Ba'athists as a way of replacing a pro-Soviet government with a pro-American one and you don't get that chance very often.

    "Sure, some people were rounded up and shot but these were mostly communists so that didn't bother us".

    This happy co-existence lasted right through the 1980s." 1

    "One thing is for sure, the US will find it much harder to remove the Ba'ath Party from power in Iraq than they did putting them in power back in 1963. If more people knew about this diabolical history, they just might not be so inclined to trust the US in its current efforts to execute "regime change" in Iraq." 3

    Here then are some quotations that I've gathered on this fascinating early history of CIA involvement in the vicious history of "regime change" in Iraq:In early 1963, Saddam had more important things to worry about than his
    outstanding bill at the Andiana Cafe. On February 8, a military coup in Baghdad, in which the Baath Party played a leading role, overthrew Qassim. Support for the conspirators was limited. In the first hours of fighting, they had only nine tanks under their control. The Baath Party had just 850 active members. But Qassim ignored warnings about the impending coup. What tipped the balance against him was the involvement of the United States. He had taken Iraq out of the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact. In 1961, he threatened to occupy Kuwait and nationalized part of the Iraq Petroleum Company (IPC),
    the foreign oil consortium that exploited Iraq's oil. In retrospect, it was the ClAs favorite coup. "We really had the ts crossed on what was happening," James Critchfield, then head of the CIA in the Middle East, told us. "We regarded it as a great victory." Iraqi participants later confirmed American involvement. "We came to power on a CIA train," admitted Ali Saleh Sa'adi, the Baath Party secretary general who was about to institute an unprecedented reign of terror. CIA assistance reportedly
    included coordination of the coup plotters from the agency's station inside the U.S. embassy in Baghdad as well as a clandestine radio station in Kuwait and solicitation of advice from around the Middle East on who on the left should be eliminated once the coup was successful. To the end, Qassim retained his popularity in the streets of Baghdad. After his execution, his
    sup- porters refused to believe he was dead until the coup leaders showed pictures of his bullet-riddled body on TV and in the newspapers."

    Sources: BBC NEWS | Programmes | From Our Own Correspondent | Saddam's parallel universe

    Andrew and Patrick Cockburn, excerpt from Out of the Ashes, The
    Resurrection of Saddam Hussein, 2000. Cited by Tim Buckley
    <http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2000/msg01267.html>

    "The CIA has been organizing "regime change" for 50 years. They have removed many governments that are unfriendly to US corporate

    This is without mentioning the original supposed reason for the invasion on Iraq (remember WMDs?) which then changed to "liberating the Iraqis". Yeah, Operation Iraq Liberation is more like it.

    Then there is another web site I would like anyone who thinks this war is a good thing to check out

    http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

    It's a blog written by a young woman who goes by the name 'Riverbend', an Iraqi (who also happens to be Muslim). This is the real version of what is happening over, not what CNN reports. Warning, you may need a box of tissues handy when you read some of her blogs.

  • Who are you?
    Who are you?
    Appearently the US is just as bad as those they call terrorist

    I'm glad that you prefaced one of your posts with this statement...

    Apparently....where have I seen that word used hundreds of times to create a link where one doesn't exist.....hmmmmm.....where oh where.....could it be THE WATCHTOWER???

  • brinjen
    brinjen
    Appearently the US is just as bad as those they call terrorist

    I'm glad that you prefaced one of your posts with this statement...

    Apparently....where have I seen that word used hundreds of times to create a link where one doesn't exist.....hmmmmm.....where oh where.....could it be THE WATCHTOWER???

    What the?

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Who,

    The word "terrorist" is all in what point of view you have or on what side of the fence you are sitting on. The US has committed worse act of terrorism than 911. They have been the only country that Atom bombed innocent civilains, they have inflicted terror on the people of Afganistan, Iraq( but I suppose that don't count because they are not american), recently threaten to use nuclear weapons if they felt the need, they torture people, but if you don't call that terrorism I guess it is just your point of view.

  • brinjen
    brinjen

    Who,

    The word "terrorist" is all in what point of view you have or on what side of the fence you are sitting on. The US has committed worse act of terrorism than 911.

    Exactly!

  • Who are you?
    Who are you?

    The word "terrorist" is all in what point of view you have or on what side of the fence you are sitting on. The US has committed worse act of terrorism than 911.

    Agree with the first part....as far as the second, I understand where you are coming from, however the war in Iraq was a response to 9/11. When US, Israel or any other country responds to terrorism with force, they are automatically called "terrorists" by some. That in itself doesn't make the US or Israel terrorists.

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    Who,

    Again it all depend on which country,race or religion you are.

  • Who are you?
    Who are you?

    Again it all depend on which country,race or religion you are.

    Agreed

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    I just think this bears repeating:

    "We understand that a world in which [values such as human dignity and the rule of law] are embraced as standards, not exceptions, will be the best antidote to the spread of terrorism. This is the world we must build today."US Government, National Strategy for Combating Terrorism, 2003

    To bad the congress and the president don't understand thier own government sage advice.

  • brinjen
    brinjen
    I understand where you are coming from, however the war in Iraq was a response to 9/11

    Funny you should bring that up, didn't Cheney want to bomb Iraq before Afghanistan? I remember the former head of US Security Richard Clarke mentioning something about that in an interview. On the 12th of September he was told by Cheney to "find out what Iraq has to do with this". Also, what was the point of Afghanistan? What did they accomplish there? They let Osama get away, he's an old man on dialysis and they couldn't find him? They gave up on that idea too quickly as well...

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