In the smoke filled back room of the GB can be heard:
Doooh..
by hawkaw 589 Replies latest watchtower scandals
In the smoke filled back room of the GB can be heard:
Doooh..
As a serious researcher I was disappointed with a post made on another thread regarding the 1994 Directory being apostate and a fake.
I always list sources for anyone to check up.
Why did I get Kent to scan the 15 pages the way I did for the 1994 directory and the 19 pages for the 2000 Directory. Like why would I go to all the trouble.
This directory was given to you purposely with the front cover and back cover. Why would I waste Kent's time posting it ?????
It shows the full title and date published. Why would hawk do it????
Why? Because you can now go to your nearest library that is an "official United Nations depository" (usually a University Library) OR a nearby NGO who is listed in the UN DPI directory at their web site and ask for a copy.
Think about it ..... You now know what to look for and where to can get a "real" copy for yourself to show all your friends!!!!!
This is 10 times better than an "evil" internet copy for those JWs who are partially thinking. I have the 1994 "hard" copy sitting at my desk at work.
I just gave you guys the weapons now go find them and use them!!!
hawk
Here is the link to my thread that contains evidence of the WTS's using the Holocaust to develop "credibility" with the "world".
. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14499&site=3
Combine this decade-long worldwide "education scheme" with the previously provided decade-long worldwide "political lobbying scheme", and one begins to see a decade-long worldwide strategy to further WTS corporate marketing goals at the expense of corporate ideology.
Trying to keep this thread around for those who need it.
hawk
Hello all,
Someone very nice (Alan F.) passed this on to me late Friday/Sat. and I did not have the opportunity to pass it on to you.
If any of you guys have been following my UN thread (which is now very tough to find thanks to the changes in the board) you may have noticed the 1994 UN Directory. It provided three names on page 261 that were linked with the WTS's name. One person was W. L. Barry (at the time he was the Vice President). Another was Ciro Aulicino (of the writing Department) and considered the main representative.
Finally the alternate representative was "Mr Robert Johnson".
Now who is this guy. Well Alan was nice enough to pass this message to me and asked me to post it.
Robert Johnson, in 1994, was a member of the Service Department and was the Watchtower Society's official spokesman. He remained the main
spokesman until James Pellechia was appointed head of the newly formed
Public Relations department around 1995. According to insider reports,
Johnson is a polished speaker as well as a fine man, and he and his wife Grace are well-liked members of the Bethel family. Johnson once served as a District Overseer.
The fact that Johnson was both the official Watchtower spokesman in
1994, and that he was a prominent member of the Service Department,
connects the Service Department officially with the Writing Department
(through Ciro Aulicino) in that it demonstrates that Watchtower
officials in each department were thoroughly involved with the UN NGO
connection, and that they must have known about each other's
involvement.
It should also be noted that Ciro Aulicino is a researcher in the
Writing Department, and as such he had no authority of his own to get
the Watchtower Society associated with the UN as an NGO. His "boss"
Harry Peloyan certainly must have been instrumental in getting Governing Body member Lloyd Barry, and after Barry's death another GB member (likely Jack Barr) to sign the various application and yearly
accreditation forms. As editor-in-chief of Awake! magazine, Peloyan has been in the perfect position to get articles seemingly supportive of UN goals printed in Awake!, and to influence the necessary GB members and other Watchtower officials to buy into the Society's associate NGO status.
Hope this helps all of you understand the connections.
Thanks Alan. Oh, I believe Kent has posted this at his http://watchtower.observer.org site.
hawk
the information presented is true. it does not make sense but true.
i firmly believe that those who put themselves above jehovah will be taken care of. it shows a lack of humility on certain "brothers" parts to do these things. many were aware that the "association" existed and many disagreed as far back as 94
i would like to remain anonymous as i am still active and know many many people in bethel.
Hawkaw:
Well, I see from his wording that AlanF joins with Maximus, and maybe Norm(?), in agreeing with the WTS that this whole UN-NGO business was nothing but a moronic attempt by the Writing Dept to merely get the now infamous "UN LIBRARY CARD" so that they could publish even more info from the UN, than they had published prior to 1991. Except now, in order to publish more articles, they would have to make them more positive re the UN in order to fulfill their UNDPI commitment. Makes perfect sense to me:
Robert Johnson, in 1994, was a member of the Service Department and was the Watchtower Society's official spokesman. He remained the main
spokesman until James Pellechia was appointed head of the newly formed
Public Relations department around 1995. According to insider reports,
Johnson is a polished speaker as well as a fine man, and he and his wife Grace are well-liked members of the Bethel family. Johnson once served as a District Overseer.The fact that Johnson was both the official Watchtower spokesman in
1994, and that he was a prominent member of the Service Department,
connects the Service Department officially with the Writing Department
(through Ciro Aulicino) in that it demonstrates that Watchtower
officials in each department were thoroughly involved with the UN NGO
connection, and that they must have known about each other's
involvement.It should also be noted that Ciro Aulicino is a researcher in the
Writing Department, and as such he had no authority of his own to get
the Watchtower Society associated with the UN as an NGO. His "boss"
Harry Peloyan certainly must have been instrumental in getting Governing Body member Lloyd Barry, and after Barry's death another GB member (likely Jack Barr) to sign the various application and yearly
accreditation forms. As editor-in-chief of Awake! magazine, Peloyan has been in the perfect position to get articles seemingly supportive of UN goals printed in Awake!, and to influence the necessary GB members and other Watchtower officials to buy into the Society's associate NGO status.Hope this helps all of you understand the connections.
ummmm....
Hi MA,
I am not sure if Alan was saying that or not.
I know we now have the GB connected to the writing department and now all connected to the service department.
What Alan showed me is that all portions of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Brooklyn New York knew about this "membership" as Gillies (WT PR man in Britian) stated.
Your information that you provided on the UN Major News - UN letter and Press Releases" thread clearly shows that besides getting an "official UN pass" they also used this for prestige and influence as well.
Clearly I can see your facts that you provided that shows the connection. If others can't well ........
If people didn't pay attention to your "facts" well .... their loss.
It seems to me MA, that trying to explain what an NGO "associate" is, along with what the WTS really used their "membership" for, are the most difficult thing for me to explain to all people when it comes to this scandal.
hawk
(Note posted on the other thread too)
Hawkaw:
Only AlanF can tell us his conclusions for sure, but reread his entire message, with particular emphasis paid to his words which I "bolded".
While it is "nice" to have proof that both the Writing and Service departments had their fingers in the pie, like any corporate organization, the "critical" piece of evidence is that the Board of Directors a/k/a the Governing Body were primary actors in the plot.
R&F JWs will dismiss involvement by the 2 depts at the blink of an eye. THE GB IS THE KEY!!!
R&F JWs will even dismiss involvement by the GB at two blinks of an eye IF it can be established that the reason for the NGO association was merely to gain access to the UN Library.
Why would R&F JWs not believe this lame excuse, since it appears that even some prominent xjws have swollowed the bait?
MA,
It is sad that the R&F will dismiss the scandal like you have put it even thought it has been clearly shown that the GB supported the UN charter.
Why?
Because here we have people in jail and people dead in Malawi because of having to be politcally neutral and follow the Governing Body.
In fact in Malawi it is was all over a stupid 25 F___ing cent MANDITORY party card required by a dictator. All the while in this case, a Governing Body member said it was okay to VOLUNTARILY SOLICIT the United Nations and VOLUNTARILY AGREE with the crieria which included support for the UN charter. A charter that in Chapter 7 (articles 39 to 51) says its okay in certain situations to use military force.
hawk