MAJOR UN/WTS NEWS- UN LETTER & 1992 Press R...

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  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    Moxy:

    Failure to acknowledge error discloses much about one's true character.

    You first said:

    the vaticans status with the UN is as a 'nonmember state observer'

    it participates and votes, like a member, and unlike an NGO. this is what the NGO coalition in question is objecting to.

    mox


    I then corrected your erroneous statement:

    The Vatican DOES NOT vote at the UN. That's why it is called an "observer".

    Then, rather than simply acknowledge a small error, you compound the issue by making more erroneous statements:

    ma: afaict, it can vote at policy-setting conferences. obviously there are many different kinds of UN-related votes. we probably hear most often about the votes of the general assembly, which is a totally different matter. the coalition of NGOs object to the vatican having a voice in policy, voting according to its views on for example, family planning, considered widely to be very backward. NGOs do not have this voice.

    mox

    If you originally meant to say that the Vatican could not vote in meetings of the UN General Assembly, but could vote at UN sponsored Conferences, YOU CERTAINLY DID A LOUSY JOB OF SAYING SUCH.

    NO, everyone reading this sees through your wimpy rationalization.
    AND, I have more bad news for you.
    NGOs also VOTE at such Conferences.

    *Maybe you should start linking a dictionary to all your posts as a notice to readers that you reserve the right to use every conceivable definition to any word or phrase you use.

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    I don't know if that has already been mentioned here and who was first, but Irenaeus, a participant at German xjw-Forum http://www.infolink-forum.de mentioned that you don't have to be an associated NGO to use the UN library:

    http://www.un.org/depts/dhl/services.htm

    Quote:
    The Dag Hammarskjöld Library is a special library whose mandated role is to serve the information needs of United Nations permanent Mission staff and Secretariat staff; however, permission to use the Library is also given for short periods of time to advanced-level researchers (PhD candidates, authors, etc.) who have found that materials required to complete their research are unavailable at depository libraries.

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Yes GermanJW this is an important thing for everyone to remember. I have posted something similar to this as a separate thread because people may not look at this big thread or are confused about where to look for stuff (which happened yesterday).

    There are two big lies that the Watchtower is going to tell the world as seen in the Gillies letter to the Guardian newspaper and Nov 1, 2001 letter to all of the Branches. One lie is the "we didn't know the criteria" defence. The other lie is the "UN library access" defence. This thread shall deal with the "UN library access" defence.

    The Watchtower is going to tell the Witnesses (and the press for that matter) that "the reason why the Watchtower, as an existing NGO, became "associated" with DPI, was that the Watchtower needed to use the United Nations' library for research material on health, social, environmental, population and ecological problems.

    The Watchtower will also tell the Rank and File that the Watchtower had been using the UN library before 1991 without associating with DPI but after 1991 the Watchtower's access would have been denied from the UN library unless the Watchtower became "associated" with DPI.

    So is this Watchtower explanation true or is this explanation false.

    Well lets look at access to "The Dag Hammarskjöld Library". The link can be found here:

    ( http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/services.htm#access

    Access

    The Dag Hammarskjöld Library is a special library whose mandated role is to serve the information needs of United Nations permanent Mission staff and Secretariat staff; however, permission to use the Library is also given for short periods of time to advanced-level researchers (PhD candidates, authors, etc.) who have found that materials required to complete their research are unavailable at depository libraries.

    Persons wishing to establish whether the Dag Hammarskjöld Library has the materials required for their research and to request application forms for access may contact the Senior Reference Librarian at the UN/SA Collection Reference Desk. Completed forms, together with required attachments, are forwarded to the United Nations Security and Safety Service for clearance and issuance of a pass. Owing to security requirements, the clearance procedure generally takes two to three weeks. A Help Line has been set up to provide guidance for external researchers needing assistance in tracking down information about the United Nations and its documentation.

    Access to the United Nations Bibliographic Information System (UNBIS) databases is freely available through UNBISnet to any Internet user. For further information contact the Data Base Manager. Clearly after reading the above url you will conclude that this Watchtower reason for "partnering" with DPI is false.

    You can access the UN library without "association" to DPI. In fact I am not "associated" with DPI and I got the UN reference librarian to facsimile the 1994 Brochure from DPI (that outlines what NGOs have to do to become "associated" with DPI)(Kent will hopefully publish that for you shortly and Randy already has it up at his web site).

    Even worse is that the UN sends out all of its material it publishes to UN depositories. These depositories are so common that there is even one in my home town of Kingston, Ontario, Canada at the Staffers Library at Queen's University.

    These UN depositories have everything and anything about the UN including the General Assembly's, Security Council's and ECOSOC's minutes, resolutions and reports. There are all the volumes of the UN Year Books, all the volumes of the UN's human rights books, volumes of trade books, economic books and population statics books. The UN Depository in Kingston makes up a huge area of the library at Staffers. And oh yeah, it contains some of those pesky UN DPI directories that list all NGOs too - hehehehe.

    Also there is a thing called interlibrary loans. I use it all the time. This means my UN depository at Queen's Unversity can request any book or magazine from the UN library on a loan basis. Thus, I can access anything I want from the UN library through my library in town. And, oh yeah, I don't have to be "associated" with DPI either. In fact that is how I am getting my hands on the 1993, 1995 and 1997 UN DPI directories on NGOs - hehehehe - and the UN reference librarian even said to me it was no problem and it would take about a week or two for the shipment to arrive.

    So if the Watchtower was supposedly banned from the UN library in 1991 the Watchtower researchers could have easily gone to any UN depository in the greater New York City area and received the exact same stuff as was found at the UN main library.

    So is there any UN depositories located in the greater New York City area and close to the WTS headquarters?

    Well a list of UN depository libraries near the Watchtower's head office is found here:

    ( http://www.un.org/MoreInfo/Deplib/usa.htm

    New York State -- New York City
    Columbia University (DL-173EX)
    Arthur W. Diamond Law Library
    (Attn.: Acquisitions Dept.)
    435 West 116th St., Box A-6
    New York, NY 10027-7297
    Tel: +1 212 854 3743
    Fax: +1 212 854 3295
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Internet: http://library.law.columbia.edu/

    DL-173EX (Apr 1948)
    Full deposit: Publications and masthead documents in English

    Council on Foreign Relations (DL-203EX)
    Library
    58 E. 68th St.
    New York, NY 10021
    Tel: +1 212 434 9583
    Fax: +1 212 434 9824
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Internet: http://www.cfr.org/public/

    DL-203EX (Jun 1947)
    Partial deposit: Publications in English

    New York Public Library (DL-175)
    Science, Industry & Business Library
    188 Madison Ave.
    New York, NY 10016
    Tel: +1 212 592 7000
    Internet: http://www.nypl.org/research/sibl/

    DL-175 (Jun 1947)
    Partial deposit: Publications in English

    New York University (DL-500)
    Elmer Holmes Bobst Library
    UN Collection
    70 Washington Square South
    New York, NY 10012-1091
    Tel: +1 212 998 2610
    Fax: +1 212 995 4442
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Internet: http://www.nyu.edu/library/bobst/research/soc/un-govt/

    DL-500 (Nov 1949)
    Full deposit: Publications and masthead documents in English

    St. John's University School of Law (DL-358)
    The Rittenberg Law Library
    8000 Utopia Parkway
    Jamaica, NY 11439
    Tel: +1 718 990 1896
    Fax: +1 718 990 6649
    E-mail: [email protected]
    Internet: http://www.law.stjohns.edu/law/

    DL-358 (Aug 1997)
    Full deposit: ODS access and publications in English

    So don't let the Watchtower fool you people into thinking that the Watchtower, as an existing Non Governmental Organization (NGO) needed to become "associated" with the Department of Public Information (DPI)in 1991 when regular folks like you or me can access this same UN information all over the world and at the UN library without being "associated" with DPI

    hawk

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Oh just in case you want to know about the "PRINCIPLES GOVERNING UNITED NATIONS DEPOSITORY LIBRARIES" go here:

    ( http://www.un.org/Depts/dhl/deplib/i189a11.htm

    I decided to quote this for you:

    I. General
    1. In order to make its documents and publications available throughout the world, the United Nations maintains a system of depository libraries to which such documents and publications are sent under the conditions outlined in sections III and IV below.
    V. Extent of Deposited Material

    15. All depository libraries shall receive automatically, according to their needs, all publications offered for sale and public information material distributed free, if available in the official language of their choice. Normally, the entitlement shall be limited to material in one official language.

    16. Those depository libraries that, in the opinion of the Publications Board, are able to handle a larger volume of material shall receive, in addition, all other generally distributed documents and publications of the United Nations - whether printed or masthead - if available in the official language of their choice. Normally, the entitlement shall be limited to material in one official language.

    17. Depository libraries so requesting may receive selected series only from among those included under the deposit entitlement as described in paragraphs 15 and 16 above.

    18. Depository libraries that can provide appropriate viewing facilities are entitled to a 50 per cent discount from the list price if they subscribe through the United Nations Sales Section to sets of microform editions of documents and publications.

    So there is absolutely no reason to go to the UN to get research material on health, trade, social and population problems when other libraries carry the same stuff in the greater New York area.

    hawk

  • one
    one

    Someone said it (was) is a "plan", any doubts? evidence is mounting

    is (was) the wt part of the coalition? or just acting behind scene.

    GB thinks they are a goverment without full power yet, (reason for so many rules for the jw and judicial C.) you know that.

    how are they going to get the power? (maybe they got tired of waiting for J and the big A)

    wt: 'Beast is taking too long to dump babylon, lets do something.' Lets put the idea in its "mind", according to REV. XX:XX.

    We already made the hail, mentioned on REV x:xx, fall all over the earth on 1973, (any of you rembember the 1973 "king-dung News"?) (good for another topic)

    btw
    if the UN wants the whole world know what they are doing, then why restric info and library access, right hawkaw? maybe i should get a card too.

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    This is the November 1, 2001 letter to all Branches. Taken from Kent's site - Way to go Kent. You may notice how my library comments above as well as the volumes of information in this thread show the absolute disgusting lying that is going on in this letter.

    .

    hawk

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Compare paragraph 3 in the above November 1, 2001 letter from the Jehovah's Witnesses' head office with the criteria found in this 1994 Brochure from DPI on NGOs wanting "association"

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    For verification purposes, Page 9 (last page) gives who published it, the date published and number it was published under (ie. DPI/1438-02997- April, 1994 - 7M). Also you may request a copy of the document from the UN library. Give the librarian the call number [ST]DPI/1438. There is a similar 1997 document and its call number is [ST]DPI/1438/Rev.2.

    Tell me - just who is telling you the truth? The so-called evil opposers? Or a bunch of "spin artists" in New York City?

    Did anybody notice that the criteria back then required the "associated" NGO to prove they supported the UN (or as I put it, the WTS had prove its loyality to the beast!!!). Did anybody notice that the NGO had to write a letter on the NGO's letter head to the UN's DPI to get an application form.

    hawk

    p.s. - The wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, round and round, the wheels on the bus go round and round all through the town .......

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    WE'RE ROLLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    hawk

  • OhHappyDay
    OhHappyDay

    I do have news.

    Even if it may seem not up to date, finally I will be able to publish a letter from the WTBTS wich is in clear contradiction to the library defense. So it belongs to the "former" statements the actuall Watchtower Letter published on this board, mentions.

    So there will be 2 written "truths" about the same stuff wich are in clearely contradiction and are written on Watchtower Stationary.

    Within the next 24 hours you'll get it!!

    Happy Day!!

  • wannahelp
    wannahelp

    THanks HappyDay!!!!!

    Much appreciated!!!!

    - Wannahelp

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