Forget You Ever Saw A Bible Or A Watchtower
by nvrgnbk 21 Replies latest jw friends
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nvrgnbk
I'm trying, I'm trying!!!
That's it purps! You can do it!
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AlphaOmega
Haven't had a chance to read the other posts before posting, so sorry if this has been said already.
What does your observation of reality, the natural world around you, teach you?
Without any indoctrination (Biblical, Religious or SOCIAL), I would be more flexible as to what WAS real. Without having the belief in magic "educated" out of me, and without social constructs telling me what was real and what typical cause and effects are, I would probably conclude that :
- Nothing was real BUT
- Everything is as real as the experience of experiencing it
How does that sound ?
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nvrgnbk
How does that sound ?
It sounds rather interesting AO. Please go on.
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Clam
Some people feel a need to worship and some will worship anything.
Recently I was passing a small courtyard and heard voices murmuring. I went in and saw an altar with a large zero in the middle and a banner that said 'NIL'. White-robed people were kneeling before the altar chanting hymns to The Great Nullity and The Blessed Emptiness.
I thought to myself, "Is Nothing Sacred?"
Clam
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nvrgnbk
Some people feel a need to worship and some will worship anything.
Recently I was passing a small courtyard and heard voices murmuring. I went in and saw an altar with a large zero in the middle and a banner that said 'NIL'. White-robed people were kneeling before the altar chanting hymns to The Great Nullity and The Blessed Emptiness.
I thought to myself, "Is Nothing Sacred?"
Clam
My first reaction to this is LMAO and to tell you how clever you are Clam. And you are clever.
But then I wonder, maybe you just figured it out. Narkissos had an interesting thread not long ago about Nothing.
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brinjen
nvr, have you been reading my diaries?
This is exactly what I used to dream about as a child. What if my mother never returned to the borg? What if there was no religion in my life?
I'm left with:
Being happy. I pictured a normal life with both parents, going out to have fun instead of being brainwashed, having friends, not caring about armageddon, in other words, having a life. I now look back and realise I would have taken education much more seriously so add having a good career, probably a couple of kids too.
My observation of reality:
You make the best of what you have. Good things can happen to good people. Be yourself, 'fakes' never really get anywhere.
What is real?
What you know (not necessarily what you believe)
What is simply assumed to be real:
Whatever you want to believe
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AlphaOmega
It sounds rather interesting AO. Please go on.How does that sound ?
err... well... (embarassed)
Okay... without trying to sound to "out there", and putting the complex thoughts into words that are a pale shadow of the original idea :
I believe that we are all here for the relationships and experience. We are here to touch, taste, hear etc but above that, we are here to "feel" - to experience.
That could be a relationship with God, or those around us, but the relationships around us are macro versions of the bigger relationship that we have with God. They teach us that we really are "conditional" beings. Okay, getting "Goddy" now, so back to the idea...
How do we know that what I see as "blue" is the same as you see it? We both agree that the same things are "blue", but do we experience "blue" in the same way ? Because we each know what the other means and expects when we say "blue". We have learned.
How did Jesus walk on water? Generally people simplify it by saying either he was God, or God allowed him to do it. But maybe he knew that the water was not real. Maybe therefore, because the water was not real to him, he was able to "be one" with it and so he could "dump" all the learned teaching that people have about "not being able to walk on water".
Basically he knew that he was as much a part of the system here as the water.
We are all made of the same stuff as that which is around us. It all comes from the earth - as does the material that makes up our bodies.
We are not apart from creation - we are a part of creation.
Could go on, but hopefully this will give the idea.
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AlphaOmega
Duplicate post. Grrrr
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nvrgnbk
We are not apart from creation - we are a part of creation.
You are preaching Naturalism brother. Check it out.http://www.naturalism.org/
Naturalism, in essence, is simply the idea that human beings are completely included in the natural world: there’s nothing supernatural about us. Naturalism is based on science as the best, most reliable means for discovering what exists. Science shows that each and every aspect of a human being comes from and is completely connected to the natural world, and is understandable in terms of those connections.