New Guardian Article

by Trilobite 43 Replies latest jw friends

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  chasson

  Les témoins de Jéhovah "hypocrites" abandonnent leur liaison secrète avec l'ONU

  Stéphane Bates, correspondant aux affaires religieux
  Lundi, le 15 octobre 2001

  Les témoins de Jéhovah se sont rapidement dissocié des Nations unies les jours même ou le Gardian révélait l'affaire dans laquelle des membres ont accusé la secte d'hypocrisie en soutenant une organisation qu'elle a dénonçé à plusieurs reprises en privé.
  
  Après l'article de lundi dernier, la hiérarchie de l'organisation basée à New-York a devancée une enquête de l'ONU, consentant à dissocier les Témoins d'une organisation qu'ils considèrent comme la bête écarlate du Livre de la Révélation.
  
  On sait que la Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York a 6 millions de membres dans le monde et 130,000 en Grande-Bretagne. Elle s'était secrètement affilié à l'ONU en tant qu'Organisation Non Gouvernementale depuis 10 ans.

  Les organisations reconnues sont censées démontrer qu'elles partagent les objectifs de l'ONU, mais les anciens, au lieu de cela, déclarent aux Témoins de base, de la considérer comme "une chose répugnante aux yeux de Dieu et de son peuple" parce que prétendument elle aspire à la domination mondiale comme Babylone la Grande, la bête de la Révélation.

  La secte n'accepte aucune participation aux gouvernements et s'est au commencement efforcée de minimiser ou de nier les faits tirés du site Web de l'ONU, qui la répertoriait comme une des 1,500 Organisations Non Gouvernementales affiliées à l'ONU.
  
  Ceux qui rapportaient ces faits à la lumière ont été accusés d'apostasie. Les membres exclus sont identifiés, tout comme le reste de l'humanité, à de la " nourriture pour oiseau" conformément à la prophétie de la bible qui parlant du sort de ceux qui ne sont pas partisans du mouvement, déclare que les oiseaux dévoreront leurs cadavres nus.
  
  Dans les heures qui ont suivis l'édition de l'article sur le site Web du Gardian, lundi, et son envoi sur un forum de discussion sur les Témoins de Jéhovah, plus de 14,000 personnes à travers le monde l'ont lu.
  
  Hier encore, il y avait 353 messages discutant de l'article et de ses révélations, dans lesquels des Témoins de Jéhovah des Etats-Unis exigeant de voir les copies de l'article.

  Tiré http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,2763,574175,00.html

  The first article of the Gardian in french:

  http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/guardian.htm

  What was "the immond things" according to Rutherford before 1942:

  http://www.chez.com/tjrecherches/immonde.htm

  Bye

  Charles
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  hawkaw

  There has been some discussion that Mr. Bates article was a little mean.

  People, Mr. Bates' article had to be edited and shortened from it orginal piece do to the so-called war that is going on.

  You are lucky to get anything in any newspaper right now.

  Well done Steve, I am sorry the editor edited a lot of your article but it was great and keep up the good work.

  hawk
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  Trilobite

  Hawk,

  There's a discussion on the Guardian TalkBoards. Go to talk, Guardian Unlimited and then Issues.

  T.
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  Trilobite

  Hawk,

  I'd imagine that many journalists are fed up with the WTS's constant refusal to be straight with them. In reality his article accurately reflected the actual opinions of "apostates" held by most JWs. Whether the way it was written was good for our specific purposes is a different story.

  Three points:

  (i) An official press statement from the UN would be nice. This might result if enough JWs etc call or email for verification, but I doubt it. I'm not suggesting any of us go for this.

  (ii) Will the WTS respond? I doubt it. If they don't then that is, in itself, an admission although most JWs will just believe the internal rumors that are spread (apostate lies, there never was a link, a UN plot, etc.) Again, not much we can do here. It does illustrate, first hand, what liars the leaders are.

  (iii) Finally, the WTS has lost something that probably opened up many doors to it. That will do long term damage.

  So, it doesn't look that great, short term, but this is a war of attrition.

  T.
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  Seeker

  Having seen the "bird seed" comment from the JW boards myself, I know this part was true. It may have been better to leave that out, or maybe not. A lot of householders are going to be wondering what JWs really think of them now...

  As for the "hypocrite" title, I not only have no objection to it, I think it was highly appropriate. Really, if you can't use it here, when could you use it?
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  hawkaw

  Trib,

  I thought Steve's edited article was great. Also Steve's full article will be seen in the Guardian Weeekly that will be coming out shortly. Also Steve will be writing another piece on it for next Saturday's Guardian - So Watch the paper.

  You kinda got an offical reponse from the UN. You now need the press to assist you in going further??

  Well that is where a few brave soles such as Bill etc. have released a press release to over 100 newspapers including AP. I only offered a few suggestions to the release but I have yet to see it.

  Will it be picked up? I don't know thanks to this War sh!t who knows.

  To keep up the "attack" I urge all to contact their newspapers with the information you now have etc. This is really the only way to force the issue and keep them in retreat.

  You are right about the long term damage.

  I also hope someone gets all this to the Russian and French courts who are looking at the WTS right now.

  hawk
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  Trilobite

  Hawk,

  What I meant was for the UN to issue something officially, say a press release or a staement on their web site. That would be icing on the cake. That _might_ happen if enough inquiries continue to bombard them. At the Guardian talkboard there is a link to the UN web site in the hope that people might be prompted to email.

  I'd suggest that we transfer some of the discussion to that talk board. Lots of people will see the headline when they go to the popular "Issues" area, that is if we keep it on top.

  T.

  ps: I have written a fairly lengthy research article that puts this in the context of Human Rights together with copies of statements/pictures/etc from older publications (1930s). Mommy has my email address if you're interested.
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  Englishman

  Trilobite,

  OK, I'm now registered, and I have found the start of the discussion on the Guardian Talkboard.

  I'm buggered if I can make out how you submit a post though, any ideas?

  Englishman.

  Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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  Trilobite

  E-man,

  You need to get a confirmatory email before you can post. If you haven't received one, then you need to email them at the address they gave an dthey will set you up.

  T.
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  Norm

  Hello OldHippie,

  The use of the word hypocrite was very appropriate. This is what they print in a new WT:

  14 Anointed Christians are like alien residents living in tents apart from this system of things. (1 Peter 2:11) ‘Not even a plague draws near their tent.’ Whether our hope is heavenly or earthly, we are no part of the world, and we are not infected by such spiritually deadly plagues as its immorality, materialism, false religion,and worship of “the wild beast” and its “image,” Watchtower November 15, 2001. Page 19.

  This they write knowing full well they are associated with the UN and have been so for 10 years. If that isn't hypocricy what is?

  Can you name a better example?

  Norm.