Do any Christians here still believe that ARMAGEDDON is real? (page 2)

heathen

So what are you saying truthseeker, that God wants to defend the jewish nation in the mideast ? I've heard the televangelists saying that , don't agree , I don't believe God cares about ethnic jews anymore unless they convert to christianity and believe that Jesus was the messiah , then and only then do they have any hope of surviving at the end just like everybody else that believes .IMO

NewTruth

Yep, I think it's Jesus and his locusts..battling the governments.. Jesus fights to bring in the new kingdom and end the corruption by discovering and exposing it and destroying it. I think it's the same battle that is at Rev. 12..with Michael and his angels battling the devil..whom curiously looks just like the Wild Beast..with 10 horns, etc. No mountains of dead bodies, (via JW's) here..

reneeisorym

don't believe God cares about ethnic jews anymore unless they convert to christianity and believe that Jesus was the messiah , then and only then do they have any hope of surviving at the end just like everybody else that believes .IMO

Again -- agreed.

I am not a dispensationalist (believes the Jews will be redeemed or something)

I am a partial preterist. (Great Trib has already happened but ressurrection and coming is still future)

However, I believe we will all be suprised when it comes. Its like when you go on vacation. You can read all you want about the city you are about to visit, but when you get there, its always different than you imagined.

Renee

snowbird

I definitely believe it is real. But, I think the fact that the Bible gives such scant info about it should give us a clue. Armageddon is mentioned only ONE time. Contrast that with the number of times GRACE and SALVATION are mentioned. Can we take a hint or does it have to be a knock-down?

Snowbird

heathen

( I am a partial preterist. (Great Trib has already happened but ressurrection and coming is still future) -- I think that's kinda how the WTBTS see's it . They had the 4 horsemen of the apocolypse starting their ride during WW1 and feel they are a spiritual paradise thus what's being seen in Revelation 7 is symbolic of the great crowd leaving the world , or some such crap they probly screwed around with so much nobody knows what they actually believe. Clearly salvation in the new testament is about faith in jesus christ as the messiah .IMO

JeffT

What difference does it make?

I'm a Christian and I do what I do because I believe it is right and what God wants me to do with the life he gave me. Sometimes that requires making changes in what I think and do based on a better understanding/being older and wiser/whatever. Such as leaving the WTBS. Whether or not or when Armageddon will happen is irrelevant to my life. If I found out it was tomorrow what would I change and why? Would getting holy overnight change my reward? I don't think so. Likewise if its 10,000 years in the future or never. Can I raise hell just because its a long way off? I don't think so.

I'd love to have this conversation with a dub sometime.

still_in74

Great Trib has already happened but ressurrection and coming is still future) -- I think that's kinda how the WTBTS see's it

no, the WTBTS says that the great tribulation is yet future and will be more turbulent times than have ever existed. This will immediately preceed Armageddon.

nicolaou

Hmmm, a variety of views and not all bloodthirsty as I expected and yet there is still that undercurrent of judgementalism and destruction;

judged by God

There has to be a point where god says "enough is enough"

when the wicked are destroyed

will be against those who are proactively warring against God

believe that Jesus was the messiah , then and only then do they have any hope of surviving at the end

As a vocal atheist who is 'proactively warring against [the idea] of God' and who denies that 'Jesus was the Messiah', will I be 'judged by God' as 'wicked' and so merit destruction?

To my mind, the idea of a Christian Armageddon has so much resonance with the Muslim way of thinking. Re-read those quotes above simply swapping 'Jesus was the Messiah' for Mohammed was His Prophet'. Islamic terrorists believe that they are doing God's work by destroying the wicked whom Allah has judged, they call it Jihad or 'Holy War'.

Christians do not take action themselves but rest their hopes that God will do his own dirty work, again destroying the wicked whom he has judged at Armageddon or 'Holy War'.

Granted, it's a different mindset and I'd rather live in a democratic christian nation than a 'theocratic' islamic state but for us infidels/Antichrists there really is not much hope is there?

Religious intolerance? Arm-a-geddin-outta here!

Nic'

snowbird

bttt

truthsearcher

Yes. I admit it, I am a dispensationalist, which means that I see in the Bible distinct periods where God has dealt differently with mankind, and the Bible does certainly describe events that don't appear (in my thinking) to have occurred yet, and prophecies regarding Israel that have not had complete fulfillment. Because I do not see the church as replacing Israel (ie not spiritual Israelites) then those unfulfilled prophecies would then have to indicate a future time of restoration for Israel, when they will accept Jesus as their Messiah, and thus come to the same reconciliation with Jehovah as those Gentiles (like me) who have accepted Christ as the Messiah.

Romans 11 tells us this:

25 So that you may not claim to be wiser than you are, brothers and sisters, i I want you to understand this mystery: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,
"Out of Zion will come the Deliverer;
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob."
27 "And this is my covenant with them,
when I take away their sins."
28 As regards the gospel they are enemies of God j for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved, for the sake of their ancestors; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 Just as you were once disobedient to God but have now received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they have now been disobedient in order that, by the mercy shown to you, they too may now k receive mercy. 32 For God has imprisoned all in disobedience so that he may be merciful to all.
33 O the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!
34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?"
35 "Or who has given a gift to him,
to receive a gift in return?"
36 For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be the glory forever. Amen.

Btw, Russel and Rutherford (early period) did start to teach a restoration of Israel, with Rutherford actually travelling to Jerusalem to preach it to the Jews. He was actually very convincing. They must have been disappointed when he later changed his mind and said that God was done with them. This is a flip-flop-flip doctrine that no one usually knows much about (they didn't teach it, then they did, now they don't again).

Do any Christians here still believe that ARMAGEDDON is real?

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