by seatrout 38 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Hi All,
I personally am a sceptic regarding the validity of hypnosis as a form of mind control. I associate it with entertainment tricks pulled by stage performers.
I never experienced any weird happenings during my only two visits to a KH.
Is anyone able to refute me? If so, what did you experience? where could I get more information?
ST
I never experienced any weird happenings during my only two visits to a KH.
2 visits. Ofcourse you would not have seen what the effects of going to the meetings are. It isn't "hypnosis" per se that goes on. It is that, unlike other literature, everything that is published by the WTB&TS is designed for the sole purpose of reinforcing doctrines and thought patterns by very specific ways that the material is presented.
I'm not sure about out right hypnosis such as putting people under or the scientific understanding of it but they definately use forms of suggestion and deception to get people to do what they want . Be it coercion or the convoluted reasonings they have but they are under some sort of manipulation. I can say that there was one time that they used electronic deception and there are times I think they use some sort of gas in the air conditioning .
I can say that there was one time that they used electronic deception and there are times I think they use some sort of gas in the air conditioning .
Yes LDB , there was one time I heard a voice talk over the guy on stage , don't know where it came from and for the longest time thought I had some sort of religious experience because I trusted those idiots who have since proven to be lying thieving frauds .Now am certain they were playing some sort of mindf@#$ , don't know if it was done with microwave or some sort of subliminal recording track. It could have been some sort of voodoo or occultic trick. I do believe in spirits both good and evil as well with people , I've had many experiences with spirits and at the time things were very strange so concluded that this was just another paranormal event. Nobody has stepped up and offered any info instead they seem happy perpetrating their lie to deceive . That's why I really don't like church since alot of it is fraud .
Sometimes the sound system would pick up a ball game. I wonder what that meant?
changeling
No hypnotic/occultic control going on. Just classic "programming." The thought process has been layered in so well over the years that it just takes a word or two to trigger "what we are supposed to think." Enjoyed observing this at the convention yesterday. Very impressive.
Yes. All the elders are trained hypnotists.
There are different thoughts on hypnosis not being able to make people do the things
they don't want to do. The real issue here is not that. We are not really talking about
hypnosis to put people in a trance.
We are talking about the meetings being "hypnotic." This is debatable among us, but
I generally understand that politicians and commercial advertisers and the JW's among
others, have an understanding that people can be lulled into an hypnotic state that is
not a trance, but more like a suggestive state. Nobody automatically quits smoking or
murders their best friend in this state. For the most part, our common sense can over-
come the suggestive state, and not buy that product or vote for that man or get baptized
as a JW, but the suggestive state continues to touch our dissonance- our inner conflict
with what we are hearing and what we believe to be true. We want to resolve that
dissonance. Given enough meetings or speeches by the same politician, some of our
minds reduce the dissonance by retraining the mind to accept what we are hearing.
I have read the theory on JW's. The WT study with the reading of the paragraphs from
one voice, then penduluming across the platform to the conductor, then switching to the
audience answers- that contributes to the hypnotic effect of the meeting, and strikes at
our dissonance with the information covered. Go to enough meetings, and you no longer
disagree with what you hear, unless your will and determination decides this is nonsense
you are hearing, then it has virtually no effect on you. You are still reducing the dissonance
between your beliefs and what you are learning, but dismissing the meeting information is
allowing your brain to recognize that the problem is not with your beliefs.
The home study program is similar and pendulums between the two members coaching you.
The greatest effect is really from the dissonance again. The book says what to believe and
two intelligent people understand that the book is right. It makes much sense, so if it
conflicts with your beliefs, the beliefs must be wrong. You slowly change the beliefs to
reduce the dissonance.
Long sessions at the District Convention lull people into the hypnotic state, and suggestions
are really effective after awhile, but the main thing is that dissonance again. Thousands of
people who seem so happy applaude some new thought, so it must be right.
When I first started posting, I made quite a bit out of the hypnotic state of the meetings.
I still believe it is so, but I have learned that it is a very small portion of the effect of meetings.
Once you are free from the concept that "They" are right, the meetings' methods have very
little effect (if any) on people, and many husbands, wives, or children go to meetings with a
believer, while they, themselves don't get lulled into believing.
..........I am geting sleepy........
