Would You Build an Ark... (page 2)

brinjen

I always heard when you talk to God thats acceptable.
When he talks to you. You are crazy.
Either that or you are a teleevangalist.

Is there a difference?

DannyHaszard

I am a Journeyman Carpenter by trade since age 14 so I would love the job as long as I got "paid" one way or another

I'd ask why kill all the animals and flood the whole earth when you could just kill all the bad people in an instant and evaporate them, and why just kill bad humans, why not get rid of the bad spirits too, after all they started all the rebellion. What do you think would be the answer?

Ken P.

funkyderek

AGuest:

It's good to see you questioning where the voices might be coming from. It's just the first step but I'm glad you're finally taking it. Most of the reactions you describe are quite sensible in the circumstances. I think the most important thing is to realise that of all the people who think God has spoken to them, the vast majority (at least) are mistaken, so immediately you should consider that option much more likely. There are many conditions that can cause people to hear voices in their head, and some of them can be quite dangerous so you may need to do more than just discuss it with us. Certainly, you should talk with friends and family who will be able to support you emotionally, but I would also urge you to speak with a mental health professional. It may be something that can be easily remedied with mild medication or it may be something that requires more long-term treatment. Either way, the sooner you get help, the better. Good luck!

JamesThomas

Do you know, Shelby, if a builders permit is required in the East Bay to build an ark? And would just the County need to sign off on that, or also the Coast Guard and Animal Control? Big old timbers are hard to come by now days; may be a good idea to look into a cement hull or inflatable ark. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Mom was right, I'm no good.

Seriously, dear, you just messing with us, or have you received some form of questionable demand, that would motivate you to ask others of their opinions?

j

RubaDub

I certainly would have built the ark but would have subcontracted most of the work out to the day laborers that hang around the Home Depot.

Rub a Dub

AGuest

May you all have peace and may I first compliment you on your great sense(s) of humor! I got quite laugh, I did. Thank you! It does seem, however, that there might be a couple-few “serious” statements/questions that require reply (and no, I can’t read hearts/minds, so I may be wrong), so just in case…

I always heard when you talk to God that’s acceptable. When he talks to you, you are crazy.

Dearest Jaguarbass, peace to you! My response would be to refer you to the other issues where my Lord said, “You heard it said that…” and then told you the truth. Matthew 5, stating at verse 43...

Either that or you are a teleevangalist.

Some of whom might also tell you that when God talks to you, you’re crazy. The truth, dear Jaguarbass, is that we can talk to Him… and He certainly talks to us. Both have one caveat, however: that when we speak to Him, it MUST be through His Son, Christ… and that is also how He speaks to us.

Since you and I have not "exchanged words” before that I can recall, I offer you the account of Joseph and Pharaoh: although Pharaoh was the top man in the kingdom, during the time of famine it was Joseph one had to go through to get grain. Pharaoh’s grain. Distributed by Joseph. One could not go directly to Pharaoh, and not because Pharaoh was unapproachable; rather, it was because Joseph was the one Pharaoh put in charge, authorized, to do such distributing. So, if one were to try to go directly to Pharaoh, rather than through Joseph, one would be disrespecting Pharaoh’s own arrangement, in which case one would receive… nothing.

Thus, if you want to talk to God… and if you want to HEAR God… you MUST go through “Joseph” – Christ. There is no other Way… and no one comes to the Father except through that One. Oh, and one would also have to come to Christ in faith that one can go through him and approach God, as well as that one can hear God, by means of him.

I am a Journeyman Carpenter by trade since age 14 so I would love the job as long as I got "paid" one way or another

Dearest Dannyhazzard, may you have peace! I am sure some (perhaps even you) are expecting me to respond that the “privilege” of building the ark would be your “payment,” but the truth is that you would receive far more, including the preservation of your life (and I don’t mean your flesh with its blood). Because you would have possessed the FAITH it takes to follow-through on what you heard, you would be granted life…for your spirit! Because the righteous live… by means of FAITH… and not works. That is why, during his time on earth, my Lord was impressed with many non-Jews: the Jews of that day were supposed to have faith, but didn’t – the “nations” were not required to have it, yet they demonstrated it time and time again. Thus, "he is not a Jew who is one on the OUTSIDE… he is a Jew, who is one on the INSIDE."

I'd ask why kill all the animals and flood the whole earth when you could just kill all the bad people in an instant and evaporate them, and why just kill bad humans, why not get rid of the bad spirits too, after all they started all the rebellion. What do you think would be the answer?

The response would be, dear Ken P. (may you have peace!) the same as it was the first time:

1. It was not the destruction of flesh that was the goal, but the retention of spirits. All of them, man, animal, spirit-being. You see, contrary to what is taught by some, the spirit does not die. It must be destroyed and the only thing that can destroy it is fire. Water, however, retains spirits (which is why my Lord sent the spirits of “Legion” into the sea – “the sea gave up those dead in it”).

Why retain the spirits vs. destroy them right then and there? Three reasons: (1) see 3, below; (2) because there is to be a resurrection, of the righteous AND the unrighteous; and (3) in order to receive life (vs. judgment) in the resurrection, one would have to put faith in Mischajah; but he had not arrived yet in order for these to do so. When he did arrive, however, and was put to death in the flesh, he went and preached to such spirits, so that those who did put faith in him then could be given their lives back at the resurrection.

2. Although they do not have flesh such as ours, animals are, nonetheless, spirits in physical bodies. We all are. As such, they do think… and contrive. They have hearts and minds just as we do… and can be just as… ummmm… “evil” on the inside. I know, I know: “no animal is evil,” “no child is evil,” “no old person is evil”… they are all just “victims” of their environment… okay. That’s another post altogether (which I think I’ve made, already), so I digress.

We are truly arrogant if we think we are “superior” to them – we are not. We simply have BODIES that allow us to move, do and express ourselves in a way they do not. However, they are “in subjection” to us in the same way that women are “in subjection” to men – NOT as something inferior, but as something that requires our CARE due to certain physical limitations. (And yes, I know that there are women who can “out-do” men in many ways, including physical contests. Overall, however, even if you found the strongest woman, you would find a still stronger man. AND… human male flesh does not go through the same sometimes limiting requirements that the human female flesh does. Although many women would want to argue this point and medical breakthroughs have attempted to make alterations, the TRUTH is that we do have a “weaker vessel.” Period. Like it or not. And animals simply have a different vessel altogether.)

3. Finally, in order to destroy such spirits, it would take fire – and not fire that is selective, but fire that is non-discerning. Why? Because spirits can alter themselves. Thus, the fire would have to reach every crack and crevice, every nook and cranny. As a result, it would destroy EVERY spirit in its path, good or bad. It is such fire that is to come next, and will destroy Gog and Magog. Utterly. But by that time, everyone who should be will be “on the ark,” meaning, inside the Holy City, meaning a part of the House of God, New Jerusalem. By means of eating from the Tree of Life within that “City” – Christ – such fire will not harm them at all because such eating grants eternal life. They are protected, then, like the three Hebrew young men.

Those OUTSIDE, however, Gog and Magog… flesh with its blood and spirit (Gog) and spirit beings (Magog), will not be able to survive: having been “cut off” from the Tree of Life, they have no life “in themselves” to sustain them through the fire.

It's good to see you questioning where the voices might be coming from.

You misunderstood me, dear Derek. Peace to you! You usually have that problem, though, don’t you? I wasn’t questioning where the voice came from – I know where it comes from. I was directed to ask you what you would do if you heard it.

It's just the first step but I'm glad you're finally taking it.

Ahhhh… patronization. One would think that in all these years you would have “grown” past all that by now. One would think.

Most of the reactions you describe are quite sensible in the circumstances.

Or cowardly, depending on who you ask, yes?

I think the most important thing is to realise that of all the people who think God has spoken to them, the vast majority (at least) are mistaken, so immediately you should consider that option much more likely.

Whle perhaps wise, I do not agree it is the most important. Because a majority, although vast, is not an entirety, is it? Which reminds me of a very similar situation I had with a medical doctor recently:

Some time ago I was given the drug Avandia for my diabetes and chose to stop using it due to “severe chest pain.” It was replaced with another diabetes drug that caused the same reaction, so severe that once I had to be taken by ambulance to the emergency room. The emergency room physicians could not find a source (i.e., my EKG was “normal” and there was no indication that I’d had an attack of any sort). As a result, my doctor did not believe I was experiencing such pain and began to patronize me. So… I changed doctors; I found one who put me on insulin (which, by the way, has minimal side effects, certainly not any pain – I am “allergic” to a couple brands, but we’ve worked that out). Anyway, due to a change in insurance I had to change doctors again, and when the new doctor asked me why I was on insulin, I told him about my chest pains. His response was, “That [medication] doesn’t cause chest pain.” I replied, “Yes, it does, for me. When I take it, my chest hurts. When I don’t, it doesn’t.” He was adamant that I was wrong and even became exasperated with me, but (I guess to cover his ass), went online and looked up the drug. He then turned to me and said, “Well, it only causes chest pains in 1% of the people who take it.” I just looked at him. After a few seconds he blushed and said, “I guess you’re in that 1%.” Duh.

There are many conditions that can cause people to hear voices in their head,

Including head trauma. Praise Jah, I don’t hear voices [in my head], dear Derek.

and some of them can be quite dangerous so you may need to do more than just discuss it with us.

Again, it appears that you think I am “running it by” [you]. You are mistaken; I am not and you’ve jumped to the wrong conclusion.

Certainly, you should talk with friends and family who will be able to support you emotionally,

Or talk you out of it? (And, BTW, not all friends and family are emotionally "supportive": some, in fact, are the cause of a person's emotional instability). I digress.

Yes, that would be an easier thing to do, wouldn’t it? That way, they’re responsible (and not you), if you did in fact hear… but failed to heed. And we like that, don’t we, being able to blame the family… the friends… the religious leaders? “But, Lord, So-and-So told me that you DON’T speak to us? Shouldn’t you hold him responsible… because he misled me? I mean, yeah, I heard you, but they said I didn’t, so…”

but I would also urge you to speak with a mental health professional.

You mean, one should talk to a "mental health" professional… who either does not hear God speak, or if he/she does, does not attribute such voice to [God]… and take that “professional’s” opinion that such one doesn’t hear God either, because, of course, the professional is right because, of course, his teachers… who either do not hear God speak, or if they do, do not attribute such voice to [God] said such things don’t occur, too, and, of course, “they” are right because “they” are the “professionals”, right? In what, may I ask? Speaking with God? Or saying God doesn’t speak? Can one who has never heard God speak (or attribute it to God when He does) be a professional as to whether He does or not?

It may be something that can be easily remedied with mild medication or it may be something that requires more long-term treatment. Either way, the sooner you get help, the better. Good luck!

Patronization in the form of good-will, even! Don’t be such a hypocrite, Derek.

Do you know, Shelby , if a builders permit is required in the East Bay to build an ark?

I would guess one certainly is, dear James (peace to you and THANK YOU for the lovely flower!), but if it were me, I would not only have no doubt that God would provide one should it be necessary, but that He would also provide a way for me to circumvent all the associated "red tape" – LOLOL!

And would just the County need to sign off on that, or also the Coast Guard and Animal Control?

God’s sheep… and angels… are everywhere, dear one. No doubt, they would have access to the County, Coast Guard, and Animal Control, if necessary. If it were me, I would not “sweat the [small] stuff,” but simply exercise faith and stand back see just what all God can and will do to accomplish His purpose. It can be amazing, truly!

Big old timbers are hard to come by now days; may be a good idea to look into a cement hull or inflatable ark.

Ahhh… now, see, you’re assuming it’s a wooden ark. And, yet, you know what to “assume” does…

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Mom was right, I'm no good.

Judging by my last response, neither am I! LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Seriously, dear, you just messing with us, or have you received some form of questionable demand, that would motivate you to ask others of their opinions?

To the contrary, dear James, I am NOT “messing” with you! Not at all! In truth, I heard the question asked and then I heard, “If you love me, feed my sheep” (which I often hear when I am remiss at sharing with you all… and someone is “thirsting”). And then I heard my Lord say, in a voice as if in GREAT pain, “When the Son of Man arrives, will he really find faith in the earth?” I had hoped yes. But...

So, what was the purpose? I hope you [all] are ready for this: by your response(s), you [all] have actually made a response... and provided a “written record” of where you stand. I know that most think this doesn’t really matter, and some think "I wa only joking.” I get that. I wonder, though, if you [all] “get" it, however, that while you may not be able to see and hear, what you say really does matter… and that you have actually made a response to God, who asked a question of you [through Christ]?

I know, I know… “God didn’t ask us anything, Shelby, you did.” Okay, we shall see - what will be, will be. I did what I was directed to do, after I listened and followed by faith. If I were truly in error, no harm was done to you. But I am not… and my Lord has already asked that you be forgiven because, truly, you “did not know what [you] were doing.” I hope you remember him for this kind act on your behalf.

Again, I bid you all the greatest of peace!

Servant to the Household of God, Israel, and all who go with… and a slave of Christ,

SA

LearningToFly

#5

I would believe I had a serious mental illness and promptly visit a Psychiatrist specializing in Schizophrenia

Open mind

Please have mercy on fellow reader's eyeballs!

Paragraphs please!!!

Open Mind

(of the, I don't read word bricks, class)

AGuest

May you have peace!

I apologize for the initial formatting: for some reason, I always get an 'error' message when I first submit a post, unless I uncheck the html formatting button. By unchecking html, I get the results you first saw. Then, once the message is posted, I must go back in and do an 'edit' in order to get the formatting correct (that is why you'll see "edited for formatting" on most of my posts during the past year or so).

I am sure it is something I am doing "wrong" and if so, someone will correct me (no doubt!).

Again, I apologize and if you wish, you can go back and read it in correct format.

Peace!

Shelb

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brinjen

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LearningToFly

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