Comments You Will Not Hear at the 8-19-07 WT Study (CONQUERING EVIL)

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    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 8-19-07 WT Study July 1, 2007, pages 27-31 (CONQUERING EVIL)

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    Your servant, V

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    "KEEP CONQUERING THE EVIL WITH THE GOOD"
    "Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good."-ROMANS 12:21.

    OPENING COMMENTS

    Commentary techniques

    OT versus NT examples

    Where's Jesus?

    Snippets...taking parts of scriptures of out context at times and stringing them together to make something that never appeared in the Bible.

    WT buzzwords

    Theocratese website

    START OF ARTICLE

    Q1) Why can we be sure that we can conquer evil?

    1) Is it possible to stand firm against those who fiercely oppose true worship? Is it possible to defeat the forces that try to pull us back into the ungodly world? The answer to both questions is yes! Why do we say so? Because of what the apostle Paul states in his letter to the Romans. He writes: "Do not let yourself be conquered by the evil, but keep conquering the evil with the good." (Romans 12:21) If we trust in Jehovah and are determined not to let the world conquer us, its evil will not overcome us. Further, the expression "keep conquering the evil" shows that we can defeat evil if we keep up our spiritual fight against it. Only those who let their guard down and cease fighting will be overcome by this wicked world and its evil ruler, Satan the Devil.-1 John 5:19.

    Where's Jesus?

    ungodly world...wicked world--all non-jws

    Q2) Why will we consider some events in the life of Nehemiah?

    2) Some 500 years before Paul's time, a servant of God living in Jerusalem demonstrated the truth of Paul's words about the fight against evil. That man of God, Nehemiah, not only withstood opposition from ungodly people but also conquered evil with good. What challenges did he face? What enabled him to succeed? How can we imitate his example? To answer those questions, let us consider some events in the life of Nehemiah.* (* For the background of those events, read Nehemiah 1:1-4; 2:1-6, 9-20; 4:1-23; 6:1-15.)

    OT example-Nehemiah

    Picture on page 27: Nehemiah and his fellow workers rebuilt the wall of Jerusalem despite fierce opposition

    Q3) In what environment did Nehemiah live, and what feat did he accomplish?

    3) Nehemiah served at the court of King Artaxerxes of Persia. Although Nehemiah lived among unbelievers, he did not become "fashioned after" the "system of things" of those days. (Romans 12:2) When a need arose in Judah, he sacrificed his comfortable lifestyle, made the arduous journey to Jerusalem, and took on the huge task of rebuilding the city wall. (Romans 12:1) Even though he was governor of Jerusalem, Nehemiah daily toiled alongside his fellow Israelites "from the ascending of the dawn until the stars came out." As a result, within only two months, the project was completed! (Nehemiah 4:21; 6:15) That was an amazing feat, for during the construction work, the Israelites faced various forms of opposition. Who were Nehemiah's opposers, and what was their goal?

    Nehemiah--used as basis for jws being able to hold government jobs in areas not military or diplomatic. Could a jw today work for a world ruler, such as on the US President's staff?

    sacrificed comfortable lifestyle...arduous journey...toiled alongside his fellow Israelites

    How many jws out of all 6.5 million have done anything similar?

    Q4) What was the goal of Nehemiah's opposers?

    4) The main opposers were Sanballat, Tobiah, and Geshem, influential men living near Judah. Since they were enemies of God's people, "it seemed to them something very bad that [Nehemiah] had come to seek something good for the sons of Israel." (Nehemiah 2:10, 19) Nehemiah's enemies were bent on stopping Nehemiah's building plans, even resorting to evil schemes. Would Nehemiah 'let himself be conquered by evil'?

    opposers...influential men...enemies of God's people...evil schemes

    Were Sanballat, Tobiah and Geshem Israelites?

    it vol 1 p. 1144 HORONITE(Hor'o·nite) [Of (Belonging to) Beth-horon or Horonaim]. A designation applied to Sanballat, one of the men opposing the work of Nehemiah. (Ne 2:10, 19) Some scholars think that Sanballat may have been from the Moabite city of Horonaim (Isa 15:5; Jer 48:3) and, in support of this, call attention to his being mentioned with Tobiah the Ammonite and Geshem the Arabian.

    Could they represent "apostate" jws never having been part of "God's people" the jws?

    "Angry and Highly Offended"

    Q5, 6) (a) How did Nehemiah's enemies react to the building work? (b) Why was Nehemiah not intimidated by opposers?

    5) Nehemiah courageously exhorted his people: "Let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem." They replied: "We must build." Nehemiah notes: "They strengthened their hands for the good work," but opposers "began to deride us and look on us despisingly and say: `What is this thing that you are doing? Is it against the king that you are rebelling?"' Nehemiah was not intimidated by their taunts and false accusations. He told the opposers: "The God of the heavens is the One that will grant us success, and we ourselves, his servants, shall get up, and we must build." (Nehemiah 2:17-20) Nehemiah was determined to push forward with "the good work."

    deride us and look on us despisingly....against the king that you are rebelling

    An accusation easily refuted since Nehemiah had been a close employee of the king and had been sent by the king...

    Yet, Nehemiah gave his God the credit...as jws do when the government supports their activities...God's blessing...yet when same government opposes...from the Devil.

    6) One of those opposers, Sanballat, "became angry and highly offended" and stepped up his verbal barrage. "What are the feeble Jews doing?" he mocked. "Will they bring the stones to life out of the heaps of dusty rubbish?" Tobiah joined in the jeering, saying: "If a fox went up against it, he would certainly break down their wall of stones." (Nehemiah 4:1-3) How did Nehemiah react?

    verbal barrage...mocked...jeering

    Most people hardly know who or what jws believe to be able to compare the rebuilding of Jerusalem to the building of the printing facilities and KHs of the WTS.

    Q7) In what ways did Nehemiah react to the accusations of his opposers?

    7) Nehemiah simply ignored the mockery. He followed God's command and did not seek to retaliate. (Leviticus 19:18) Rather, he left the matter in Jehovah's hands and prayed: "Hear, O our God, for we have become an object of contempt; and make their reproach return upon their own head." (Nehemiah 4:4) Nehemiah trusted in Jehovah's assurance: "Vengeance is mine, and retribution." (Deuteronomy 32:35) Further, Nehemiah and his people "kept building the wall." They did not let themselves become sidetracked. In fact, "the entire wall came to be joined together clear to half its height, and the people continued to have a heart for working." (Nehemiah 4:6) The enemies of true worship had failed to halt the building work! How can we imitate Nehemiah?

    did not seek to retaliate:Yet jws will wish for the end to come and hope for the destruction of all non-jws so that they can attain their paradise soon.

    left matter in Jehovah's hands...make their reproach return upon their own head:sounds loving doesn't it?

    Just recently a jw athlete withdrew his suit against his employer citing the same thing. Does that mean that jws can never sue anyone?

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07225/809108-63.stm

    did not let themselves be sidetracked: Don't let "opposers" sidetrack you from the jw work of placing literature and converting people to do more of the same.

    Q8) (a) How might we imitate Nehemiah when opposers falsely accuse us? (b) Relate an experience you have had or heard about that shows the wisdom of not retaliating.

    8) Today, opposers at school, at work, or even at home may hurl taunts and accusations at us. However, often such false charges are best handled by applying the Scriptural principle: "There is ... a time to keep quiet." (Ecclesiastes 3:1, 7) Hence, like Nehemiah, we refrain from retaliating with cutting words. (Romans 12:17) We turn to God in prayer, trusting the one who assures us: "I will repay." (Romans 12:19; 1 Peter 2:19, 20) In that way, we do not let our opposers sidetrack us from the spiritual work that is to be carried out today--the preaching of the good news of God's Kingdom and the making of disciples. (Matthew 24:14; 28:19, 20) Each time we participate in the preaching work and refuse to be deterred by opposition, we show the same faithful spirit that Nehemiah did.

    With their self-righteous attitude and assurance that only jws will survive the coming destruction of all non-jws, is it no wonder that they take no responsibility for the dislike this engenders in people "at school, at work, or even at home"?

    Are all taunts and accusations "false" that are hurled?

    A time to keep quiet: Are too many jws speaking up and embarrassing the WTS?

    'We Shall Certainly Kill You'

    Q9) What form of opposition did Nehemiah's enemies unleash, and how did Nehemiah respond?

    9) When opposers of true worship in Nehemiah's time heard that "the repairing of the walls of Jerusalem had gone forward," they took up their swords to "fight against Jerusalem." For the Jews the situation looked gloomy. There were Samaritans in the north, Ammonites in the east, Arabs in the south, and Ashdodites in the west. Jerusalem was surrounded; the builders appeared to be trapped! What were they to do? "We prayed to our God," says Nehemiah. The enemies threatened: "We shall certainly kill them and put a stop to the work." Nehemiah responded by assigning the builders the task of defending the city "with their swords, their lances and their bows." True, humanly speaking, the small band of Jews did not stand a chance against the overwhelming enemy forces, but Nehemiah urged them: "Do not be afraid ... Jehovah the great and the fear-inspiring One keep in your mind."-Nehemiah 4:7-9,11,13,14.

    Opposers...took up their swords...kill them and put a stop to the work.

    Here is where using an OT example goes against the Christian doctrine of not using physical means to attack one's enemies.

    Nehemiah responded by assigning the builders the task of defending the city "with their swords, their lances and their bows." Not too much different from the time the "brothers" used canes at the WTS public meetings to "defend" themselves. Does that mean that the same is permissible today?

    Q10) (a) What caused a sudden turn of events among Nehemiah's enemies? (b) What measures did Nehemiah take?

    10) Now there was a sudden turn of events. The enemies called off the attack. Why? "The true God had frustrated their counsel," reports Nehemiah. However, Nehemiah realized that the enemies remained a threat. Therefore, he prudently adjusted the work method of the builders. From then on, "each one was active in the work with his one hand while the other hand was holding the missile." Nehemiah also assigned a man who in case of an enemy attack would "blow the horn" to warn the builders. Above all, Nehemiah reassured the people: "Our God himself will fight for us." (Nehemiah 4:15-20) Encouraged and prepared to deal with aggression, the builders kept working. What lessons can we draw from this account?

    Sudden turn of events...enemies called off attack..."true God had frustrated
    their counsel"...remained a threat

    Nehemiah assigned a man who in case of enemy attack...blow the horn...prepared to deal with aggression

    How do jws today prepare to deal with aggression? Are they allowed to physically restrain "opposers" at their conventions? or KHs? Or do they call the secular authorities? Why did not Nehemiah call for support from the king?

    Box on page 29



    Lessons Found in the Book of Nehemiah

    Servants of God face

    • ridicule
    • threats
    • deception

    Deception is employed by

    • false friends
    • false accusers
    • false brothers

    God's servants conquer evil by

    • sticking to their God-given task (end box)


    Q11) What enables true Christians to withstand evil in lands where the Kingdom work is banned, and how do they conquer evil with good?

    11) At times, true Christians face violent opposition. In fact, in some lands vicious opposers of true worship form an overwhelming enemy force. Humanly speaking, our fellow believers in those lands do not stand a chance. Nevertheless, those Witnesses are confident that `God will fight for them.' Indeed, those who are persecuted for their beliefs have time and again experienced that Jehovah answers their prayers and 'frustrates the counsel' of powerful enemies. Even in countries where the Kingdom work is banned, Christians find ways to keep on preaching the good news. Just as the builders in Jerusalem adjusted their work method, so Jehovah's Witnesses today prudently adjust their preaching methods when under attack. Of course, they refrain from using physical weapons. (2 Corinthians 10:4) Even the threat of physical violence does not make them halt their preaching activities. (1 Peter 4:16) On the contrary, those courageous brothers and sisters "keep conquering the evil with the good."

    Buzzwords--true Christians...fellow believers--only jws

    Christians find ways

    Are only jws persecuted in these countries? Look at this website for examples of other religions being persecuted.

    http://www.forum18.org/

    Of course, they refrain from using physical weapons

    Why "of course" when the WTS has already used an OT example where weapons were acceptable?

    "Come, and Let Us Meet"

    Q12, 13) (a) What strategy did Nehemiah's opposers employ? (b) Why did Nehemiah turn down the invitation to meet his opposers?

    12) After Nehemiah's enemies realized that their open assaults had failed, they turned to more subtle forms of opposition. In fact, they tried three schemes. What were they?

    open assaults had failed...more subtle forms of opposition

    3 schemes

    13) First, Nehemiah's enemies tried to deceive him. They told him: "Come, and let us meet together by appointment in the villages of the valley plain of Ono." Ono lay between Jerusalem and Samaria. So the enemies proposed that Nehemiah meet them halfway to resolve the differences. Nehemiah could have thought: 'That sounds reasonable. It is better to talk than to fight.' But Nehemiah refused. He explained why: "They were scheming to do me harm." He saw through their scheme and was not deceived. Four times he told his opposers: "I am not able to go down. Why should the work cease while I take off from it and have to go down to you?" The enemies' attempts to get Nehemiah to compromise failed. He kept his eye focused on the building work.-Nehemiah 6:1-4.

    First...tried to deceive him...let us meet together by
    appointment....Nehemiah refused..

    Nehemiah illustrates my PBS policy, no "Pearls Before Swine." Pick your conversations carefully with so-called fellow believers. Don't discuss anything you don't want the elders to hear and that won't lead to your df'ing.

    attempts to get Nehemiah to compromise

    Learn that it is good most times not to waste your time talking to jws, PBS.

    Q14) How did Nehemiah react to his false accusers?

    14) Second, Nehemiah's enemies resorted to spreading false rumors, accusing Nehemiah of "scheming to rebel" against King Artaxerxes. Once more, Nehemiah was told: "Let us consult together." Again Nehemiah refused, for he discerned the enemies' intention. Nehemiah explained: "All of them were trying to make us afraid, saying: `Their hands will drop down from the work so that it will not be done."' This time, however, Nehemiah did rebut his enemies' accusation, stating: "Things such as you are saying have not been brought about, but it is out of your own heart that you are inventing them." Moreover, Nehemiah turned to Jehovah for support, praying: "Strengthen my hands." He trusted that with Jehovah's help, he would be able to foil this evil plot and push forward with the building project. -Nehemiah 6:5-9.

    Second...spreading false rumors

    If you are inactive or going that way, what false rumors have been spread about you? How was it handled by the elders or were they the source of the false rumors?

    it is out of your own heart you are inventing them

    Could God be blessing people who imitate people like Sanballat and Tobiah?

    Q15) What recommendation did a false prophet make, and why did Nehemiah not accept the recommendation?

    15) Third, Nehemiah's enemies used a traitor, the Israelite Shemaiah, to try to make Nehemiah break God's Law. Shemaiah said to Nehemiah: "Let us meet by appointment at the house of the true God, within the temple, and let us close the doors of the temple; for they are coming in to kill you." Shemaiah said that Nehemiah was about to be assassinated but that he could save his life by hiding in the temple. However, Nehemiah was not a priest. He would commit a sin by hiding in the house of God. Would he break God's Law in an attempt to save his life? Nehemiah responded: "Who is there like me that could enter into the temple and live? I shall not enter!" Why did Nehemiah not fall into the trap that had been set for him? Because he knew that although Shemaiah was a fellow Israelite, "it was not God that had sent him." After all, a true prophet would never advise him to break God's Law. Again, Nehemiah did not let himself be conquered by evil opposers. Shortly thereafter he could report: "At length the wall came to completion on the twenty-fifth day of Elul, in fifty two days."-Nehemiah 6:10-15; Numbers 1: 51; 18:7.

    Third...try to make Nehemiah break God's law.

    How has the WTS broken God's law...by associating with the scarlet-colored wild beast the UN as a nongovernmental organization (NGO) while condemning other religions for doing the same?

    Telling jws it is a conscience matter to use hemoglobin based products made from stored blood while at the same time telling jws that store their own blood are disassociating themselves and can be cast out judicially and shunned by everyone in the organization?

    Nehemiah...could save his life by hiding in the temple

    Don't jws think they are safe in their KHs when trouble brews? "Inner rooms" of Isaiah is interpreted as meaning being only safe when with jws.

    A TRUE PROPHET WOULD NEVER ADVISE HIM TO BREAK GOD'S LAW(see comment on blood)

    Q16) (a) How should we deal with false friends, false accusers, and false brothers? (b) How do you show that you refuse to compromise your beliefs at home, at school, or at work?

    16) Like Nehemiah, we too might face opposers in the form of false friends, false accusers, and false brothers. Some individuals may invite us to meet them halfway, so to speak. They may try to convince us that if we serve Jehovah with a little less zeal, we could pursue worldly goals at the same time. However, because God's Kingdom comes first in our lives, we refuse to compromise. (Matthew 6:33; Luke 9:57-62) Opposers also spread false accusations against us. In some lands we are accused of posing a threat to the State, just as Nehemiah was accused of rebelling against the king. Some accusations have been successfully rebutted in judicial courts. But whatever the outcome in individual situations, we confidently pray that Jehovah will direct matters according to his will. (Philippians 1:7) Opposition may also come from those who pretend to serve Jehovah. Just as a fellow Jew tried to persuade Nehemiah to break God's Law to save his life, so apostate former Witnesses may try to influence us to compromise in one way or another. However, we reject apostates because we know that our lives are saved, not by breaking God's laws, but by keeping them! (1 John 4:1) Yes, with Jehovah's help we can conquer any form of evil.

    False friends
    False accusers
    False brothers
    Euphemisms for "apostates"

    They may try to convince us that if we serve Jehovah with a little less zeal, we could pursue worldly goals at the same time.

    Or rather we see elders and their families modeling this behavior; actions speak louder than words.

    Spread false accusations...[God] will direct matters (wait on Jehovah)

    Opposition may also come from those who pretend to serve Jehovah..........inactive jws?

    Compromise or to see the lies for what they are?

    We reject apostates...anyone who does not support everything the WTS teaches even if they cannot see a scriptural basis???????????

    What laws do Christians follow; just 2 (two) laws...........what are they?

    Picture on page 31: True Christians fearlessly preach the good news

    Sharing Good News Despite Facing Evil

    Q17, 18) (a) What do Satan and his agents endeavor to achieve? (b) What are you determined to do, and why?

    17) God's Word states regarding Christ's anointed brothers: "They conquered [Satan] because ... of the word of their witnessing." (Revelation 12:11) Hence, there is a direct connection between conquering Satan--the source of evil--and preaching the Kingdom message. No wonder that Satan relentlessly attacks both the anointed remnant and the "great crowd" by stirring up opposition! -Revelation 7:9; 12:17.

    WTS says cannot conquer Satan without preaching the jw way........what about the Mormons, Baptists, Lutherans that have come to more doors with Bible in hand? Are they unable to conquer Satan?

    18) As we have seen, opposition may come in the form of verbal attacks or threats of physical violence or in more subtle forms. In any case, Satan's goal is always the same--to put a stop to the preaching work. However, he will fail miserably because in imitation of Nehemiah of old, God's people are determined to "keep conquering the evil with the good." They will do so by keeping up the preaching of the good news until Jehovah says that the work is done!-Mark 13:10; Romans 8:31; Philippians 1:27,28.

    verbal attacks
    threats of physical violence
    subtle forms of attack

    Put stop to the preaching work...or put the stop to "placing literature" and converting people to a pseudo-Christian way of life?

    God's people--only jws

    How many times do jws mention God's name, the kingdom or Jesus in their 15-second sermons? Listen carefully the next time they come or the next time you give your JW sermon.

    Do You Recall?

    • What opposition was faced by God's servants in the past and is faced by Christians today?
    • What was the main objective of Nehemiah's enemies, and what is the objective of God's enemies today?
    • How do we today keep on conquering evil with good?

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    Now they have jws judging who are the apostates in their midst. But the WTS has betrayed Christ by leaving him out of their dogma.

    Love, Blondie

  • minimus
    minimus

    V, how do we know you have been chosen by Sister Blondie herself? You could just be some Watchtower apostate wannabee.

  • V
    V
    You could just be some Watchtower apostate wannabee

    We await Blondie's endorsement. Until then I wear the mantle of "wannabee" with pride.

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  • greendawn
    greendawn

    They are trying to strengthen the persecution among the JWs that the world dislikes them. Yet there are good reasons why the world would dislike the JWs eg the deadly blood ban policy and the destruction of families through the shunning policy. They participate in the evil works of satan too.

    That's why they shouldn't be talking about true worship their entire religious dimension is pretended and deep down it is insincere.

  • blondie
    blondie

    V will be helping me while I am on hiatus to continue to provide the material from the WT study articles. He has been a big help to me. I will be supplying my comments for him to intersperse. I will be without a computer a home starting the end of August for a couple of weeks.

    He did a good job. I think OTWO and V both have firsthand knowledge of what Blondie goes through. I appreciate their fine efforts to bring this to you.

    Now let's hear your comments on this article designed especially to warn about apostates. Who are the real apostates.........the WTS....which has played false to its own doctrines of neutrality...UN as an NGO...and the blood doctrine....allowing jws to take products made from stored blood.

    Next week: Have You Sinned Against the Holy Spirit. (1 John 5:16)

    Love, Blondie

  • darth frosty
    darth frosty

    Great Job V. I hope you feel better real soon blondie.

    Just a lil side note, cant you just imagine the stiff necks at bethel gritting there teeth at the fact blondies WT post continue no matter what.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Good job V.

    First...tried to deceive him...let us meet together by
    appointment....Nehemiah refused..

    Second...spreading false rumors

    Third...try to make Nehemiah break God's law.

    While you excellently point out from the first scheme that Nehemiah demonstrates
    how JW's should not tell the elders everything, the GB is trying to scare up the flock to
    think about schemes against "the truth."

    Don't listen to opposers' stories about the WTS past. They are just trying to confuse you. Don't even
    show up to listen. Just go LA LA LA LA LA LA LA if you are stuck listening. ( Well, not LA LA LA, but
    use WT catch phrases like "the light keeps getting brighter" or "wait on Jehovah.")

    Don't believe those stories about pedophiles or the U.N. or any other rumors. Ignore them. LA LA LA.

    Stay away from worldly people. They just want sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll. Don't send your kids to
    college- they will break God's law. Don't date worldly, don't associate with worldly, limit your association
    with worldly family.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Brooklyn turns up the heat. "False brothers"??? Hahahaha!!! There goes the claim that the Kingdom Hall is a safe place out the window.

    Next time somebody wants ya to go to the Kingdom Hall, ask if there is any guarantee there won't be a "false brother" there . . . maybe a "false brother" is giving a talk. If a "false brother" is at the Kingdom Hall, that would make going to a meeting the sin of associating with apostates.

    :-) Let the fun begin!

  • blondie
    blondie

    bttt

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I will answer to paragraph 1, where it tells us not to return evil for evil. What does this really mean in Watchtower speak? It means that we should just keep preaching, not feeling anything but joy and happiness when others speak against us because we are supporting a scam and they see through it, and letting others test us beyond our limits because they want to find out if Jehovah really is behind us. We are supposed to remain faithful no matter how much abuse the world puts on us, because they are testing to see if Jehovah is behind the work. If He is, then we should be able to stand the abuse. If it's a scam, then perhaps we will not. Therefore, for the sake of the illusion, we are expected to bear it no matter what. That will help support the illusion of its having Jehovah's backing, and the hope (from the Puketower point of view) is that they will come in.

    Of course, it is all part of the illusion. They often misapply this with the pedophile situation in the Kingdumb Hells. They also like to apply it as meaning that if someone burgles or robs us, then we should just go along with it. And personal rejection (not just rejection of the scam) is supposed to be accepted as well. I wonder if they thought it had Jehovah's blessing when that personal rejection led me to missing meetings and blowing off field service, and ultimately turning apostate.

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