QFR Regarding How The "Slave" Is "Discreet"

by minimus 33 Replies latest jw friends

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    They use the imperfection as an excuse for their failures, telling people to give up their lives because Armageddon is tomorrow or next year. And then they blame the people when it fails and they end up in a pickle because of having followed the advice. Imperfection.

    But then they tell us how important it is to follow them no matter what. If they blunder and the error is blatantly obvious or one that they have made before, they still expect us to follow them. If one person is imperfect, then someone else is going to see a mistake and be able to correct it, not following the errant instruction, and avoiding calamity. Just try it with the Puketower Society. You will get disfellowshipped for not following the slave class.

    Worse is that these are no mere imperfection errors. Were it imperfection only, they would only have been wrong part of the time. It seems they are wrong every single time, and that they are keeping people's lives on hold with their stupid little games. This is a full blown scam, meant to get people to live stagnant lives and to take advantage of them to get still others to join the scam. That's why they need the instruction that it is so important to follow the Slave Class all the time, no matter what. They hammered that in this past summer at the a$$embly, and they are hammering it in again by not allowing independent research and cross-referencing of the Bible publications and the Bible itself. And then they chalk it up to imperfection. This is nothing but a specious reasoning to get people to follow the cult at all times and not question when it messes up their lives.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Stuff like that gives me an itch where i can't scratch.

    S

  • Cold Creek Swimmer
    Cold Creek Swimmer

    They use the imperfection as an excuse for their failures, telling people to give up their lives because Armageddon is tomorrow or next year. And then they blame the people when it fails and they end up in a pickle because of having followed the advice. Imperfection.

    This is an example of circular reasoning. "We are God's mouthpiece on earth. What we say is God's word. We have just received new light that has given us an adjustment in our thinking. Because we are imperfect, we have now realized that this new light has lead us to send these revisions for the upcoming study in the Revelation book."

    What most witnesses don't see is that the FDS cannot have it both ways. Either what they say is God's word, or it is not. If it is God's word as directed by the Holy Spirit, then what they are implying is that the Spirit was wrong. If they are imperfect men who make mistakes, then they were wrong in their understanding. It basically boils down to them IMPLYING that God made a mistake. Really, that is what they are saying. If their understanding changes and the previous understanding was from God, then God changed his mind. There is no other way to look at their reasoning.

    How many of you ever asked yourselves why God changed his mind again? I never did. I bought into the "New Light" theory wholeheartedly. It was not until I really started to think about things, and "meditate" on things that I realized what was being said. I asked my elder father this recently. He went ballistic and responded with the time honored argument "You are an APOSTATE!" That, of course, is the best way to prove anyone wrong in the face of logical reasoning.

    2500 years since the bible was written and not any changes as far as ideas are concerned, except for the basic translation issues. 150 years of Watchtower and if you said to the elders that you believed things the way Russell or Rutherford did, you would be kicked out for apostasy. These men claimed to be God's voice as well. So, I guess God is an apostate too, according to the FDS.

    CCS

  • knock knock
    knock knock

    So before it was mentioned at the convention, did the dub's think the GB&SC WERE perfect? It just sounds funny that it's only true because it was mentioned at a dub convention. The rest of the world knew it forever. lol

  • AWAKE&WATCHING
    AWAKE&WATCHING

    The truth about the GBS is plain and simple. Not difficult to understand.

    They can't speak for God AND be wrong.

    Not realistic. Not logical.

    Which is exactly why it makes sense to them. They believe all of the ridiculous, convaluted explanations.

  • IsaacJS2
    IsaacJS2

    The thing that gets me about the F&DS is - how the heck do they "know" they're anointed by Jesus? I mean, if Jesus isn't communicating with them, then how could they even prove it to themselves? That makes zero sense. I could pull one of those numbers if I felt like it!

    Me: "Yeah, looks like Jesus selected me to tell everyone what to do. Yes sir."

    Them: "Why should we believe that??"

    Me: "Cus I said so. Now do what I say or he'll kick you square in the pants! Obey! Obey! Booga-booga-booga!"

    Them: "Couldn't he at least give us a sign or something?"

    Me: "Look at this guy with his independent spirit, there! Where's your faith, pal? Maybe you need to be more humble. Look, I'm gonna go have a sandwich. When I get back, there better be a stack of money waiting for me if you know what's good for you!"

    Them: "But ... I mean ..."

    Me: "Just shut your pie hole and get to work! I've got a crap load of magazine to write so you losers can push'em on some unsuspecting rubes. Heh heh. Remember, don't rely on your own understanding. I'm as much a victim of Jesus's will as you, after all. Mine is but to follow him. Yours is to follow me. Armageddon's a coming, ya know..."

    GOD, I love doing good things for people.

    IsaacJ

  • minimus
    minimus

    If we employ simple logic, it is obvious that the FDS doctrine is ridiculous. Regarding circular reasoning, JWs have it and they don't know how to think otherwise.

  • changeling
    changeling

    If you admit to not being perfect then leave it up to me whether to listen to you or not and don't put sanctions on me if I don't agree with you on every single thing.

    changeling

  • minimus
    minimus

    They are having their cake and eating it too!

  • deaconbluez
    deaconbluez

    This is one of those threads that people should bookmark if they need a reference on how to point out circular reasoning among JW's.

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