How Can We Reach Witnesses who Won't Believe Child Abuse Allegations?

by flipper 28 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

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  flipper

  As you all know , gawd, a lot has happened in the last year. The sixteen child abuse settlements in California. Now we have a perpetrator of this crime let back on the loose in Great Britain. As I've said before on threads, I have told my older daughter about the molestation settlements and she being a regular pioneer said," Well dad, it's just a sign that Jehovah is cleaning out his organization, getting rid of those who do these things." Makes me want to do a bullet to my brain. Then my mom, her response of a witness of 55 years was more encouraging," Well, thank you son for telling me this. If this has happened it's wrong the way it's been handled. You know your dad is an elder and the elders in his congregation personally call each family if they have kids and tell them brother so and so is a molester from his past and to be careful, don't work with him in the service alone." I thought that was admirable, until I thought, what if brother so and so goes in service alone and meets a kid at the door alone? What then?

  Then I got to thnking, you know most witnesses won't change their beliefs about this until it affects them personally, comes up and bites them in the proverbial a$$! It's almost like they have to get shock treatment to believe it! So, my friends how can we shock them into believing their hallowed organization is really a haven for pedophiles? What can we do? I'm so exhausted trying to figure it out, that is why I'm asking? I do what I can personally, talk with relatives, leave flyers in windshields, write letters to newspapers. Any ideas on what else we can do to shock the senses of these controlled people? I'm open to your comments, all welcome!
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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  I emailed the America's Most Wanted page to my parents, they responded 'Isn't it wonderful that the elders protect the flock this way.' I said No, it's horrible that the elders protected a molester by enforcing the 2 witness rule and so many kids were harmed by a trusted MS.

  A KH is like an internet chat room --you don't know what people really are until Chris Anderson from Dateline walks in.

  Great idea: make copies of the page and place it on windshields at the local KHs so that people would be warned. I like it.
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  flipper

  Pioneer Spit, I mean spirit- lol, hey great try at getting your parents to see this for what it really is, typical controlled response on their part though. Hey , here is an idea, instead of being content with leaving flyers in windshields during meetings, how about doing what the poster Moshe did a week ago and if your pissed at their actions, go inside their kingdom hall before a meeting and confront them with the ap news article about the molestations and ask them what their thougts are? I know it would take some stones to do it, however I'm so frustrated at their canned responses, I'm getting very close to being tempted to do just that before some Sunday meeting soon. What do you think? Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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  Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit

  Remember that if they don't believe child abuse allegations, they won't believe anything; it's not like presenting the Trinity to a reg pio and getting a good arguement, it's easily a topic that they should heed to protect their own kids but they want to turn it into a fight.
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  velmazbates

  Common sense says they know it's true that molesters are among those going to preach door to door, but they throw up these verbal denials as a way to fend off something that would send them out of the organization with resulting loss of JW friends, family and business associates.

  So though you think it's a matter of convincing them, in a lot of cases it isn't. Therefore, the question is actually more of how can you motivate them, since they will at least nomimally be continuing as JWs, to stop donating their money, potentially offering to die from lack of blood transfusions etc?

  The answer is to number one remind them that if they are going to be in it they don't have to donate money, time or energy; and two, since they are Bible scriptures conditioned, to get counteracting Bible scriptures that overturn the mistaught scriptures.

  For example Acts 15:20 says "abtain" from blood but 1 Samuel 14:32-35 says Saul's army ate unbled meat to keep from starving to death and just had to build an altar to show they regretted having had to break the then existing Mosaic Law against blood use in order to stay alive, and they were forgiven.
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  jam

  here,s a thought. Make posters on every JW that have been convicted of child molestation. Place them in all the lundry mats, all the coffee shops and bus stops. In bold letters write attention too all JW,s and also the public if you have been molestated by any of these men ,please contect the authority.
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  Dragonlady76

  This is a tough one, if they don't believe it now ,chances are they never will, all we can do to help is keep the channels of communication open and keep exposing the borg for what they really are, everybody has a breaking point and someday they might reach that point.
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  minimus

  How can we reach JWs---period. Whatever may work, whatever deeply affects them, might do the trick. JWs are TRAINED to NOT THINK. Pass it off on Jehovah. Let Him take care of it in His due time. Unless a person is actually directly affected by an issue, it won't make a difference to a typical JW.

  Truthfully, a lot of people aren't very bright and many compound this with being lazy too. So it doesn't look good to help ignorant ones.
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  mcsemike

  The problem is that what they say and what they do are not the same. The elders do NOT warn anyone in the hall that so and so is a pedophile. And if your child is molested and you try to warn others, they come after you. When people asked me where I had been when I stopped going to meetings, I told them why. When I named the pedophile, some sisters actually put their hands over their ears and said "I don't want to hear any gossip." It doesn't get any more stupid than that. If I was telling them their car was on fire out in the parking lot, they'd listen then.

  The other issue isn't about "cleaning house". One of the signs that the WT was the truth in the first place was that this "house" was supposed to be clean all the time. If the WT bears fruit that shows it is NOT God's people, then the "cleaning house" excuse is a moot point. I cannot understand why the average JW is too stupid to see this. The very proof that was supposed to show the world that the JW's had the truth is the very thing that shows that they DON'T have the truth. The first century congregation was not riddled with pedophiles.

  Trying to reason with the JW's is like "nailing jelly to a tree". You cannot win. If the WT were perfectly clean, they'd say "see, it's God's people". If the WT was full of filth, as it now is, they will say that God is cleaning house. Well, I don't like a God who lives in a pigpen. And I don't think God would approve of any religion that feeds its members such filth. "JW's are like mushrooms. Keep them in the dark and feed them manure."

  The bottom line is that with most JW's, there will be no reasoning. They are brainwashed and will die that way. They don't want to know the truth. It would mean throwing away decades of work, time, money, education, etc. They are either too proud or insecure to admit they are wrong and wasted their lives. The issue here will rarely be one of theology or even morality. It is one of psychology. When the WT is attacked or its members approached individually on that basis, then there might be hope of getting some of them out of this lunacy.
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  deborahs_song

  Flipper,

  Brotherhood verses anti-Christs mentality is very strong in our faith. Anytime someone attacks the Society or the elders the Witnesses are trained to turn away from them. Most Witnesses will refuse to believe the Society is not doing its best to protect their children. It's just a matter of wanting to believe what we/they have been told and want to be so.

  Deborah