So who moved Ockham's Razor? interesting take on 9/11 conspiracy theories (page 5)

VM44

Who financed the attack? Was the source of the money ever found?

5go...again, he's an engineer...not a government employee/politician or anything like that. I looked at his company's website, and it doesn't appear that they investigated the World Trade Center, but their current listing of projects may not go back that far. I'll ask.

I will talk to him about the collapse of the building... and I'm sure he can give an expert opinion. His company's bio is below... I deleted the name because I haven't seen him yet to ask if he is comfortable in my posting it. I highlighted the categories I think apply here.

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NGINEERS , A RCHITECTS , M ATERIALS S CIENTISTS

Areas of Litigation Support/Expert Witness Testimony

Expertise: Structural and Architectural Design and Code Review

Structural and Architectural Inspections

Failure Investigation and Analysis

Construction Accident Investigation and Reconstruction

Laboratory Testing and Analysis

Nondestructive Testing

Construction Materials Evaluation

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX is an employee-owned, interdisciplinary firm of

Profile: structural/civil engineers, architects and material scientists. With 20 offices nationwide,

provides a wide range of consulting, research and design services in all areas of construction

technology. These services encompass structural evaluations, failure investigations, research,

condition surveys, construction problem solving, vibration studies, corrosion control, construction

materials evaluation, laboratory and field testing, rehabilitation, damage assessment and reliability

and risk analysis.

Since its establishment in 1956, has served thousands of clients worldwide, from individuals

to large corporations, universities and government agencies. The firm has achieved an

international reputation in problem-solving for existing buildings, bridges and other structures

through professional expertise, technical ability and quick response to client needs.

Services: Assessment of Existing Structures Repair and Rehabilitation Design

Failure Investigations and Analysis, Historic Preservation

Seismic Analysis and Retrofit Design Testing and Instrumentation

Construction Materials Evaluation Research and Development

Specialized Services for New Construction Blast Effects and Counterterrorism

xxx has a staff of over 400 employees, with more than 290 professional structural and civil

Experience: engineers, architects, material scientists, chemists, petrographers and technicians. Annually,

employees attend more than 170 conferences, serve as chairpersons on more than 150 technical

committees, prepare more than 100 technical papers and give more than 120 presentations at

society meetings and symposia.

coffee_black

ok...while I posted that, I missed a couple of posts.

VM44 I don't think he'd be qualified to answer that one either. Just structural issues.

HS... I don't think I've ever seen you post a smiley before! I can't say I've read all your posts though... That just tickled my funny bone.

Coffee

5go

oh well egg on my face your with us then.

Yeah I have read over and over again the structure came down to fast and was removed to fast it should of took years to remove.

5go

LONDON, England (CNN) --European and U.S. regulators are on the hunt for anyone who might have manipulated financial markets ahead of the terror attack in the hope of profiting from it.

Central banks and supervisory bodies in New York and across Europe are conducting investigations into what one European central banker says are ever-clearer signs of market manipulation. Germany's central bank governor, Ernst Welteke, says there were signs of suspicious movements in oil and gold prices before the attack. Investigators in Europe are also looking at trading in insurance and airline stocks. There are strong suspicions that British markets may have been used for transactions, says Belgian Finance Minister Didier Reynders. Sources in London say no evidence has turned up yet, although an investigation at all exchanges is being conducted.

CIA Executive Director “Buzzy” Krongard managed firm that handled “PUT” options on United Airline Stock
by Michael C. Ruppert

FTW - October 9, 2001 – Although uniformly ignored by the mainstream U.S. media, there is abundant and clear evidence that a number of transactions in financial markets indicated specific (criminal) foreknowledge of the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In the case of at least one of these trades -- which has left a $2.5 million prize unclaimed -- the firm used to place the “put options” on United Airlines stock was, until 1998, managed by the man who is now in the number three Executive Director position at the Central Intelligence Agency.

Until 1997 A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker’s Trust in 1997. Krongard then became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker’s Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin this year as being connected to money laundering. Krongard’s last position at Banker’s Trust (BT) was to oversee “private client relations.” In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money.
Krongard joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President Bush in March of this year. BT was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe. And, as we shall see, Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.

5go

So are you saying it support the aided collaspe theory? Though I still believe something went on I have pretty much given up on trying to prove it.

5go

Sorry coffee I didn't read it all the way I though it was calling theorist kooks. No it agrees with them.

Leolaia

Has anyone else downloaded the 80+ hours of NORAD tapes from 9/11? You can get them via torrent. No "stand down" orders afaik, but lots of disorganization and incredulity over what was happening...

Afaik there have been several videos released from around the Pentagon, most were sealed because of the Moussaoui trial. Since it ended, several have been released (CITGO, Doubletree, two security cam views). If you want to see more, file a FOIA ... that is how the others were released.

coffee_black....Here is a question your friend may be interested in....ask him if he agrees with the NIST recommendations for upgrading building codes as a result from what was learned on 9/11 (if he is familiar with them). There is some speculation that the NIST report on WTC7 due later this year will make an important recommendation on the basis of the contributing factors to the collapse of that building.

coffee_black

So are you saying it support the aided collaspe theory? Though I still believe something went on I have pretty much given up on trying to prove it

5go,

I'm not sure you're asking me this question. If you read back through the posts, you will find that I am attending a monthly CSI dinner tonight. (not crime scene investigation...construction specifications institute...I know that's confusing, but it's a completely different organization) At my table is usually an engineer who works for the above profiled firm. I can discuss the structural failure of the WTC with him. He will have a very educated opinion because that is what he does for a living...has for many years.

He's not involved with the response team or the aftermath....just the forensics of how/why the building fell.

After I've talked with him, I'll let you know what he says.

Coffee

coffee_black

5go

oh well egg on my face your with us then. I haven't expressed an opinion, so don't jump to conclusions. I posted an article that I think is very good.

Sorry coffee I didn't read it all the way I though it was calling theorist kooks. No it agrees with them. I don't think it calls them kooks, but I don't think it (the article) agrees with them either.

Leolaia,

coffee_black ....Here is a question your friend may be interested in....ask him if he agrees with the NIST recommendations for upgrading building codes as a result from what was learned on 9/11 (if he is familiar with them). There is some speculation that the NIST report on WTC7 due later this year will make an important recommendation on the basis of the contributing factors to the collapse of that building.

I'll be sure to ask. Our State building code is undergoing some pretty drastic changes. Mostly wind load and coastal issues. That is actually the topic of the presentation at the dinner tonight....

Coffee

So who moved Ockham's Razor? interesting take on 9/11 conspiracy theories

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