So that's what the other shoe looks like. Update with my parents

by Paralipomenon 33 Replies latest jw friends

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    It is good that you have made a clear stand. I hope that your meeting goes well with them.

    "You are making a stand against Jehovah, that's something we cannot support"

    A JW is so indoctrinated that they can not distinguish the difference between following God and following the Watchtower Society.This is the key to it all. I would make very clear and constantly bring it up, that you are not making a stand against Jehovah, you are making a stand against a cult.

    In the last talk with my father I really highlighted that he believes everything from the Watchtower without question, because he thinks they are spirit directed. However, they are not, (as proven by elders being appointed whilst committing adultery, wrong teachings such as 1925, etc) and as soon as he accepts that he will find a lot of what he believes is wrong.

    He retorted that everything he believes is from the Bible. So I made the following point. If it was from the Bible it would not constantly change. For instance if I was bleeding to death 20 years ago and asked him if a certain blood fraction (ie haemoglobin) could be used to save my life the answer would be "Definitely not, the Bible shows blood fractions are forbidden as offensive to Jehovah." If I ask the same question today the answer would be "Yes, that blood fraction is quite acceptable". The Bible has not changed, so he is not following the Bible but a group of men. He said the light is getting brighter. I said certainly not. It makes sense that if blood is wrong, so are fractions. However now, a JW can have a fraction, but can not donate blood, so where are the fractions coming from. The new stance is illogical, the light is less clear.

    I just keep on the same tack, you do not follow Jehovah, you follow, without question a cult. All the cults think that they alone have truth. It is no different than a Mormon, and Mormons show how easy it is to be misled. In 2006 DNA was used to show that native Americans originated from Asian, disproving the claim in the book of Mormon that Native Americans came from the Middle East. This did not cause a huge exodus of Mormons. Shippes shows why not;

    "This may look like the crushing blow to Mormonism from the outside," said Jan Shipps, a professor emeritus of religious studies at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis, who has studied the church for 40 years. "But religion ultimately does not rest on scientific evidence, but on mystical experiences. There are different ways of looking at truth." http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-mormon16feb16,0,5561316.story?coll=la-home-headlines (February 16 2006)


    I don't know if that is the route you would like to take, as it is very harsh and may destroy your relationship even further. But I am happy that this is how I handled it as has changed the dynamic of my relationship as now my family do not look down on me with that arrogant Witness superiority, but now are the ones have to justify why they do what they do.

  • MadTiger
    MadTiger

    Now, that is how you handle business. Waiting for the next installment.

  • Tara
    Tara

    So very sad. I'm sorry, but agree that shunning you and Bobbi is shunning your entire family. I love what Skully said. That may just work, as it not only scripturally based, but taken right from the NWT. They can't argue with that and they can throw it in the elders' faces as a reason NOT to shun you. The ball is in their court now. I wish you guys the strength to get through it.

  • bebu
    bebu

    I'm sorry for the situtation, but I'm thankful that you are both strong about your convictions that you will not be manipulated by your folks. What a great stand you are taking! Hats off to your delivery.

    Your comments about the access to your grandkids being in the envelopes reminded me of Martin Luther nailing his theses to the Wittenberg door. That analogy isn't too far off imo. I hope you can show your folks that you DID learn integrity after all. I hope that integrity is also your folks' priority as well.

    bebu

  • megsmomma
    megsmomma

    I don't have any better words than what have been expressed...I just want to say I am sorry and even though it is so sad...the freedom is still worth it and it is their loss. ((((((((((HUGS))))))))))) to your family (and make the hloidays x-trs grand!!)

  • moshe
    moshe

    JW's just hate it when the tables are turned on them in regards to shunning. No doubt not having access to their grandchildren will be a bitter pill for them to swallow. I hope they wise up soon. Good Luck.

  • Mystery
    Mystery

    Inside the envelope include a picture of the grandkids. "We love you unconditionally."

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Para & Bobbi:

    You have my sympathy and deepest respect.

    I shared your story with a couple co-workers. Jaws were on the ground with shock and disbelief that Para's parents could cut off their own flesh and blood like this. Especially since the stand you're taking "against Jehovah" is........... celebrating Christmas. (Imagine appropriate emoticon here. &%&*# Firefox.) Next thing you know you'll be sacrificing your kids to Molech.

    I agree with the comments earlier about not letting them Ping-Pong in and out of your kids lives. If they cut themselves off from your kids, their memory will soon start to fade in your children's minds. From a kid's perspective it's nice to have Grandparents, but not essential. Plenty of kids grow up with no grandparents at all. I'm not intending to be harsh here, just realistic from your children's point of view.

    IMO, this is going to be hardest on the adults, provided you stick to your guns and make your parents decide one way or the other. As your kids grow older, the lesson they will take away is that their grandparents exist, but because they're JWs, they won't hang out with Mom & Dad.

    Para & Bobbi's kids: "Strange. A little too strange for me. Don't think I'll be joining that church any time soon."

    Be strong.

    I'm thinking good thoughts for you.

    Open Mind

  • bluebell
    bluebell

    Some great advice, I can't really add anything except stay strong and be true to yourself.

  • flipper
    flipper

    Para & Bobbi- I know how you feel. My daughters 20 and 19 treat me like I'm lucifer personified . But just be true to yourself and your kids. Like was said initially your parents are in a mind control cult , so they don't even realize they are being weird. It's just as if Jim Jones or David Koresh has control of their minds. Just as bad if not worse, because the watchtower society is so subtle how it controls. They have you controlled, before you know you are controlled. Sick. Stay strong folks, peace to you , Mr. Flipper

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