Chilvary, Women's Rights and Striking a Woman

by coolhandluke 24 Replies latest jw friends

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  coolhandluke

  Before I start this, I under no circumstance condone striking another human especially a woman except for in self defense.

  With that stated I was bred to believe and still do that it is my responsibility to protect the women in my life. I try to teach a measure of self defense to my sisters daughters and almost every girlfriend and female friend that I've ever had. The following thoughts were produced from a discussion with my ex girlfriend. She is a taller than normal girl raised in the country. Believe me when I tell you that I wouldn't mind having her on my side in a fight. We had been wrestling around and she said thtat she'd never hit me for real. I told her that I thought this was a good idea because if she hadn't knocked me out as big as she was I'd probably hit her back. Now, as I said I would never hit anyone except to protect myself.

  The nature of chivalry seems in contrast at times to women's lib. In my martial art I am paired as often with women as with men. Believe me, with the right training a woman is a dangerous physical force to be reckoned with. I open doors because thats what my grandfather taught me and even now that has been expanded because the women in my life have no trouble opening them for me. The women I surround myself with pay for dinner as much as I do. My boss is a woman. My sister is one of my best friends. Perhaps I am trying to qualify my statements. But really, is the idea that I'd hit a woman in certain circumstances of self defense misogynistic or is it liberated? Curious to hear your thoughts.
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  Burger Time

  My Dad always said, "son if a woman is man enough to hit you, you should be man enough to hit back". Never had to use that but's generally how I feel for anyone. If their brave enough to hit me I should be brave enough to hit them. My Dad always got attacked by an ex wife with a frying pan so maybe he is a bit jaded.
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  coolhandluke

  my grandfather (not the one i spoke of originally) used to beat his wife. one day she got fed up and grabbed an old rotary telephone and smashed it against his head. their relationship drastically improved from there
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  Mrs. Witness

  As a woman, I am teaching my girls that if you hit someone, you should expect to get hit back. I think men are justified in hitting women if the women hit them first (I'm not talking about abuse situations here...don't lambaste me!).
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  reneeisorym

  With that stated I was bred to believe and still do that it is my responsibility to protect the women in my life.

  The nature of chivalry seems in contrast at times to women's lib.

  I just have one comment on that: I want to be respected and maybe even protected, but not pitied.

  But really, is the idea that I'd hit a woman in certain circumstances of self defense misogynistic or is it liberated?

  I think it depends on the woman and how she hit you. If she's a lot smaller than you and isn't causing a threat, holding her down so she can't hit you until she agrees to calm down may be a better idea. If she's just hitting you with her purse, demanding her to stop may be a better option. If she hit you with a full force punch to the nose, and there's more to come, you are going to need to defend yourself.

  I just think that you should try to end the confrontation as quickly as possible unlike you would do with a buddy of yours. With a buddy, you may just fight it out until things are solved. It is probably a better idea to just end the fight the quickest way possible with a woman. If for no other reason than that a court is unlikely to believe that the incident is all her fault and you were just protecting yourself. (sad but true)
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  Nosferatu

  My Dad always said, "son if a woman is man enough to hit you, you should be man enough to hit back". Never had to use that but's generally how I feel for anyone.

  I've had to use it - once. She hit first and instinct kicked in. I clocked her right back. Needless to say, that was the end of that.

  Most women I've met are pretty good, they don't hit men. Some of them seem to think they can do no wrong because they ARE women. Those are the ones who pose a problem.
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  coolhandluke

  If she hit you with a full force punch to the nose, and there's more to come, you are going to need to defend yourself.

  thats sorta what I meant.

  Some of them seem to think they can do no wrong because they ARE women. Those are the ones who pose a problem

  Exactly. This is what I was thinking of.
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  mrsjones5

  I would strike a woman
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  Burger Time

  Yea I have never used it. I do think there should a bit of open dialog on the fact that many women are for equal treatment except in circumstances like this. Not saying all, but there are quite a few who scream equality then when they start a fight they expect to be protected by the "weaker" argument. So I do think that in order to be truly liberated we have to take a stand off approach to the "women can't fight" principle. Speaking of women's rights this video always made me laugh....
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  reneeisorym

  Not saying all, but there are quite a few who scream equality then when they start a fight they expect to be protected by the "weaker" argument.

  I was in an abusive marriage. I don't think I realized just how much weaker I am than a man until that experience. He wasn't even all that strong -- kind of a wimp compared to most men. I'll freely admit that I am weaker.

  I am weaker emotionally as well. I cry so easy!

  I don't think that most women want equality in those areas. We know our limitations.

  What we want is to be paid the same as a man doing the same job. We want the right to vote.