Difference Between Catholics and Witnesses

by WTWizard 33 Replies latest jw experiences

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I have recently seen one thread about the differences between the Witnesses and those other religions. So I will explain some of my earlier experiences as a Catholic and contrast them to the Witness experience.

    My family was active as a Catholic when I was about 6 or so. Between 1969 and 1971, we went to church most of the time (I don't remember much before that). I do remember Sunday school, where we would be herded to for about half an hour before joining the main service. That was held upstairs, and lasted another 45 minutes. I also remember getting dressed up in suits during this time.

    It wasn't all that homogeneous. There was the week of Labor Day when, instead of having service, we just went outside and had a picnic/cookout. The day was sunny and warm, and we had games for the children that day. The following year, we also had a cookout but it was raining so we had to have a tent to shelter us from the rain. These "gameouts" happened about once a year, and took the place of a service.

    Life as a Catholic was not that strict aside this. About 6 times a year, we missed church to go camping, or to do something away from town. They didn't make a big deal when this happened. It was more important for people to have fun, when done a few times a year, than to have perfect attendance. Those in the clergy and the ones running the show had more duties, but the regular laity did not have to be there every single Sunday.

    Outside of church, things were not that different. We had our share of birthday parties, and they were fun. I especially liked my own birthday (who didn't), as well as one friend (who was also Catholic) that we went occasionally to visit. Holidays were celebrated, gifts and all. I didn't get much into Christmas carols, but I did like the process of getting the house decorated for Christmas. And I liked the trips (there were two each year) that were made to visit relatives across the region (each trip was around 70 or 80 miles long each way and lasted all day). Easter was also celebrated, as were all other holidays. It broke up the year and made for some major markers in my life.

    Life every day was normal. We listened to the radio, and my mother liked the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and the Rolling Stones. The TV wasn't much in use those days (obviously, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, internet was not a factor). We had our share of material things, and we did the usual things in school. We had to salute the flag, and we got to play with other children and go on class trips that also made major markers in life. And I got to go to college when I graduated from high school.

    Compare this to the Witnesses. They are not allowed any distractions at the meetings. I have been there almost 20 years, and not once did I see a "gameout" in place of a meeting. In fact, all the meetings were critical meetings that everyone was going to miss out on something lifegiving if we blew it off. There are three a$$emblies (marathon meetings, no fun) and the Crapmorial (another boring meeting that is the same every year). Children are not supposed to have any toys (some do, but the parents get hounded by Brother Hounder if they are caught). No age-appropriate material is available for those younger than about 10.

    The whole week is built on the religion. You go to "church" three times a week, and if you miss one, you can expect a call from Brother Hounder. Between "church", you had to go out in service. They wanted people to spend Saturday out in service every week (there goes TV). Anyone going on vacation is urged to find the Kingdom Hall and go to the meetings and go in service at the destination in lieu of having any real fun once there. (This is in the May KM just about every year). Going out on weekend trips aside from this is frowned on heavily, and if you do too often, Brother Hounder is going to have a talk with you.

    Every day life is interfered with. Of course, you cannot celebrate birthdays or holidays, no matter how much you like someone. There are no special trips that happen every December or March/April. The music you listen to has to be censored: if you leave the radio on, you will be hounded. Not even that today's music is filthy and yesterday's music is clean (that is more reasonable, since much of today's music has swearing and drug use, inappropriate for small children, while older music doesn't). Even if you listen to vintage music, you still have to hit the OFF button frequently for "bad" songs. Go to a film, and you have to worry about (1) stumbling someone and (2) stealing time from Jehovah.

    The school scene is also a mess. Witness children are not supposed to play with other children that are not Witnesses. They cannot participate in parties. They are not supposed to do after school activities or go on class trips. They cannot salute the flag, often making them targets for teasing. Their school work is often impaired by having been up until past 10:00 PM the night before for that Service Meeting or because a work is not in accordance with their religion. They are not supposed to go to college after graduating: they are supposed to pioneer. They have cracked down on that position once again (the D.E.A.D. threat).

    What does this do? It leaves life a blur. There are no "marker events" except getting baptized and starting that first study (and who really gives a fxxx about these when they turn 30 or so? Service eats up all their play time, and they have no fun that amounts to anything. True, some children are let off the hook by parents that are more lenient than this. But, usually Brother Hounder or the hounder-hounder will take care of it. If not, it usually means the parents are "weak" and will be dealt with accordingly. Children whose parents are "strong" almost never have any real fun.

    I know that the Catholic Church is not the truth, either. And they are not wholly innocent. It was them, after all, that edited the Bible back in St Augustine's day. It was them that helped start the Dark Ages and keep it going with the Inquisitions, witch hunts, and crusades. And they continue starting and fighting wars for nothing. But, when you look at what the religions do to children, the damage done by the Catholic Church pales when compared to the Witnesses. If I had to choose one of these, I would for sure choose the Catholic church, even with its faults and failings. At least Catholic children get to live somewhere near normal lives.

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    Hear Hear, I will drink to that (pepsi of course)


    You have done an excellent job of explaining this, I couldnt have done better myself.

  • JK666
    JK666

    They are both the local distributers for guilt.

    JK

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    I was raised Catholic and then became a JW as an adult, around the age of 26.

    I too, feel those markers, you speak of growing up Catholic. With JW religion, its all a run together existance. Memorial and Summer convention being the only thing that was signifigant, But it just is not the same.

    My entire family was Catholic, well a step-grandmother was Christian Science, but we saw her as grandma, not who she was religiously.

    Becoming a JW, I lost all family traditions. I suppose that is the greatest loss. These events, Thanksgving dinners, Christmas gifts and gatherings, birthday parties unified us as a family. We all made the effort to see each other then. Family was much more important, Now after twenty years as JW, I will never achieve what I lost in that respect.

    Going to Mass was not my favorite thing to do. It was tolerable as it did not last long and when it was over I felt good, closer to God and as a family we were unified, cleansed and grateful. Although we did nothing with other people in our church, I got satisfaction looking around at who was there week after week. Choosing a seat, meant eyeing out who I was going to be standing in front of .........that was the person I was going to get to say "Peace be with you" at the end of the service. My favorite part.

    If not for going to church I would not have had that special dress to wear and I did feel special wearing it. It was not a uniform feeling like at the Kingdom Hall, It was putting on my Sunday best for God.

    We had a few crosses hanging in our house.....They were cool ones, not just wood with a metal Jesus on them. My mother even made beautiful ceramic crosses for all the family members at Christmas one year.

    My mother taught us to be giving and also thankful as every Christmas and birthday, we sent cards and letters thanking everyone for gifts.

    Well, I have gone down memory lane. Its been nice.

    There is something I wanted to say though about going to confession. Sometimes it felt good to tell someone something I had done wrong that I would not admit to another. The hardest part about confession was mustering up the gumsion to tell it, not the punishment. I got my Hail Mary's and Our Fathers to say on my rosery and a bit of advice. My offenses were not too bad. My slate could be wiped clean until another buildup developed, leading to another visit to the confessional. It made me aware of my offenses that were between God and myself, not like with the JW's where they monitored and judged your every move.

    My mother hated confession. She missed out on communion soemtimes from not going to confession. Some of her "sins" that have surfaced in the last few years I can see why now!!!!

    My mother is what made childhood not normal not the Catholic religion.

    purps

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    Thanks for this post.

    I was never Catholic. I was a Baptist before the Borg, but didn't attend past my early teens and was assimilated at the age of twenty.

    I must say that something I always admired was the blessing of the pets. I don't know much about it but I see it in the paper sometimes when it happens. I think God must love animals that we have as pets and I think when the priest blesses the animals it makes the pet owners feel that their relationship with their pet is pleasing to God.

    Also I admired Pope John for appologizing for the cover up in the church regarding the pedophile issue. Only a big person is willing to admit they have done wrong. Not so the WTS.

    If someone can enlighten me about Saint Nicholas I would appreciate it. That is, if he was a Catholic Saint and you know about him.

  • Bonnie_Clyde
    Bonnie_Clyde

    Approximately 1980, a sister in our congregation organized a little "school" for the young JW children. My son was about six years old and he really enjoyed it. The elders allowed her to conduct it in the Kingdom Hall. All of a sudden it was stopped--orders from the CO. I think it was about the time the Society cracked down on all independent study groups.

    Does anybody wonder why the young people are leaving the organization in droves?

  • mentalclearness
    mentalclearness

    I hate to be the one to not agree 100% but I have to tell you there is another side of things. I grew up as a witness. I remember JW parties including dancing, camping trips, beach days, Disney World and other theme parks in groups...There were sports, picnics, biking in groups...Going to the movies, tubing, roller skating...I mean you guys make it sound like JW's do absolutely nothing for their kids.....That isn't the case always..I think you generalize..As a witness before with small children I organzied parties as my house complete with jugglers and magicians....Maybe the older witnesses were soooooooo strict...but the newer ones do organize activities....

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    Here ya go quandry:

    http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=371

    edit to add - now you'll know why pawnbrokers have the symbol of 3 golden orbs too!

    I was brought up as a Catholic - very strictly. We had to go to Mass every week and on the Holy days too. There was no Sunday school for the kids (there is now but they only leave during the sermon slot and then come back in for the main part).

    I felt that heavy burden of guilt which JK mentions - confession was possibly the last thing which held me back from leaving, I was worried my sins wouldn't get forgiven and I'd spend eternity in hell or at least in purgatory!

    And I was shunned by one of my sisters for 2 years when I did leave - betraying the religion=betraying your family roots.

    She maintains that I was born a Catholic and I'll die a Catholic Whatever...

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    Thanks Sad Emo! That's kinda cool that Catholics have a website like this. Can you imagine the WTS with a site that delved into their history? I don't think so......

  • kazar
    kazar

    WTwizard, purplesofa and Sad Emo,

    I also was raised a Catholic and converted to Jehovah's Witnesses at 17. No one else in my family ever became or was interested in JW's. It is interesting, the differences in Catholicism and JW's. I had to wear uniforms to Catholoc School. How I hated that! I found the Catholic Church too harsh in its concept of hell, although their tolerance of other religions was liberal. I missed the holiday get-togethers most of all when I left the Catholicism. Of course, I thought it was a much better thing as I was leaving for a material "paradise earth" rather than the nebulous "heaven" of which the only thing I knew was I would be with God--which I didn't want to be anyway. So I took the paradise earth bait from the witnesses and ended up sick from it for 20 years. I haven't been around a Catholic for so long I don't know if the beliefs are still the same, but I still wouldn't want to be one. As of now, I don't belong to any denomination and I am very near atheism.

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