"Let There Be Light"
"In The Beginning" The Creator, The Father of ALL
said, "Let There Be Light, and there was Light"
......."Let There Be Light".......
"The Beginning of the Creation of GOD"
And Revelations 3:14 testifies that The Messiah
was "The Beginning of the Creation of GOD
(Father of All)"! And The Messiah testified that
His GOD and Father(Creator) is The GOD and
Father(Creator) of His Brethren.
It is very important to both know and experience
The Messiah as He was and is, and also to know
the "glory He had with Our Father" before He was
born in "the likeness of sinful flesh".
Frst, let me simply state that i believe that the
"catholic" and "christian" systems of religious
theo(ry)logy are Anti-Messiah for they "imag"ine
a "christ" who is either one head of a three-headed
pagan "god", or is "god and father", or is an
exalted messenger(angel),or is but a prophet.
It is needful to believe that The Messiah was, is
and always will be "The Son of The Living GOD"
and that there is but "One GOD, Father of ALL".
The Messiah testified that The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL, was His GOD and His Father, and
was also The GOD and Father of His Brethren.
..."Let There Be Light"...
The Messiah simply testified in John 17:5 "And
now, O Father, glorify Me with YOUR own self
with the glory that I had with YOU before the
world began".
Prior to that testimony The Messiah testified in
John 12:35-36,"Yet a little while is The Light with
you. Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness
comes upon you: for he that walks in darkness does
not know where he goes. While you have Light,
believe in The Light, that you may be the children
of Light.""
And the apostle John testified: "In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and
the Word was(not is) GOD. The same was in the
beginning with GOD. All things were made by Him;
and without Him was not any thing made that was
made. In Him was life; and the life was the Light
of men. And The Light shined in darkness; and the
darkness comprehended it not. There was a man
sent from GOD, whose name was John. The same
came for a witness, to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through Him might believe. He(John
the baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to
bear witness of that Light(The Messia). He was the
True Light, which enlightens every man that comes
into the world. He(The Messiah) was in the world,
and the world was made by Him, and the world
knew Him not. He came unto His own, and His own
received Him not. But as many as received Him, to
them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,
even to them that believe on His name: Which were
born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of The Only True GOD."
And the apostle John testified in John 3:17-21:
"For Our Father sent not his Son into the world to
condemn the world; but that the world through Him
might be saved. He that believes on Him is not
condemned: but he that believes not is condemned
already, because he has not believed in the name
of the only begotten Son of Our Father. And this
is the condemnation, that Light is come into the
world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil. For every one
that does evil hates The Light, neither comes to
The Light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that does Truth comes to The Light(The
Messiah), that his deeds may be made manifest,
that they are wrought in Our Father."
In John 12:34 the people asked, "who is this Son
of man? Then in John 12:35-36, "The Messiah
answered, yet a little while is The Light with you.
Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness
come upon you: for he that walks in darkness
does not know where he goes. While you have
Light, believe in The Light, that you may be the
children of Light. The Messiah spoke these things,
and departed, and hid Himself from them."
Simply, "in the beginning" The Only True GOD
spoke The Word, "Let There Be Light".......
and there was Light! Certainly that was not
"natural" light for "natural" light, the sun, moon,
and stars were not created until the "fourth day".
"In the beginning", "The First Day", The One GOD,
Father of All created "The Light", without which
Creation Life, as we now know and experience it,
could not have been.
The First Day, The Messiah, "The beginning of the
Creation of GOD(HE WHO is The Only True GOD
and Father of ALL)"! And "The Light which
enlightens every man born into the world", was
born as a child destined to be The Messiah.
The Messiah, "The Light of the world".
The Messiah, "The firstborn of all Creation".
The Messiah,"The firstborn among many brethren".
The Messiah, "The firstborn from among the dead".
The Messiah, "A servant of The Only True GOD".
Once again: "in the beginning" Our Father spoke:
"Let there be Light, and there was Light"!
The Messiah, "The Beginning of the Creation of
GOD", "the firstborn of all Creation".
HalleluYAH!
The Messiah, Created by The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL!
The Messiah, "The Light of the world"!
And The Messiah, "The Lamb of GOD," is
The Light of The New Heavenly Jerusalem.
Sadly, those of this world yet love darkness ;-(
And they will abide in that which they loved
forever ;-(
Sadder yet, religious systems of this world
such as "catholicism", "christianity", "judaism",
"islam",.etc., have so perverted The Testimonies,
that today, as in the yesterdays gone by, "The
Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of their
theo(ry)logical, heretical doctrines that are of
men, and especially those theo(ry)logical
doctrines which seek to define The Only True
GOD, Father(Creator) of All.
All such doctrines are but the product of
mankind's "imag"ination and mankind's
"imag"ination is responsible for the destruction
and perversion of Creation(earth, air, water,
creatures, Truth, Love, Peace, Hope, .etc.)
Yes, sadly ;-( Creation is being destroyed by
self-willed men who could care less about that
which is of Truth(what is), and care even less
about those things which they can not compre-
hend apart from their natural senses and mental
processes ;-(
And Truth testifies, The Creator "will destroy
those who destroy the earth(HIS Creation)"
(Rev 11:18).
Sadly, in this wicked world, those who seek profit
will naturally overcome those who do not ;-(
Yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
For Miracles do happen and Faith rejoices against
theo(ry)logy(logic) and profit(greed)!
Hope is there would be those who experience
The Miracle that is "receiving a love of
The Truth" for they will "see" "The Light".
And they will receive peace, in spite of the
dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world, for
they will clearly "see" this world and it's
systems of religion as they are, and not as
"imag"inative humans would have us believe
them to be.
They will clearly "see" that "The WHOLE world
is under the control of the evil one" and that
this world's systems of theo(ry)logical religion
are all Anti-Messiah(Anti-Light), indeed and
Truth....... Francisco
"Let There Be Light"
by ElderChild 28 Replies latest watchtower bible
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ElderChild
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Gopher
So, briefly, what do you think about Jehovah's Witnesses then?
(Personally I agree that the Trinity doesn't make sense.)
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Honesty
Do you believe that Jesus is an angel?
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ElderChild
"jesus" is but the "imag"ined pagan name given to one head of a three-headed pagan "god".......
"Let there be Light"! The Messiah, "The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD".......
The Messiah, "The Light of The World" and "The Light of The New Heavenly Yerusalem".......
and while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
for Miracles do happen!
hope is there would be those who experiece The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The Truth".
peace, in spite of the dis-ease(lies) that are of this world and it's systems of religion for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth....... francisco
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Carl_Hernz
The description of God as a three-headed or three-bodied entity is actually one of those things promoted by the Watchtower Society as a red herring used in its stand against the Trinity. While there is artwork that uses such imagery in regards to the Trinity, such imagery and the Watchtower description of it has very little to do with the actual doctrine.
One thing I fret is that people take so much of what the Watchtower has taught them and still cling to it as accurate, even after they have left the organization. Whether people who leave the Watchtower eventually adopt belief in the Trinity or do not (everyone should make up their own minds and treated with respect whatever position they choose), as a religious historian I must protest the way Jehovah’s Witnesses have misrepresented the Trinity teaching. Though I am not going to here promote or advocate such a doctrine, I should point out that what JWs say about it and what citations and quotes they print are very incomplete and misleading.
Religions that believe in the Trinity have a concept of three persons making up one God, similar as to how Genesis describes a man and a wife making one flesh or how parents and their children make up one family unit. In the same way that the human mind cannot conceive that God had no beginning, Trinitarians also believe it is the same regarding this teaching, that it is a “truth” that cannot be fully explained in human terms.
From a strict apologetic approach, the reasoning used by Jehovah’s Witnesses in their refutation of the Trinity doctrine consists of a misrepresentation of a basic tenet of this teaching, namely that it defies explanation. To therefore argue that the doctrine is confusing or doesn’t make sense or isn’t found directly in Scripture is moot; Trinitarians also agree to the same things.
This approach is referred to as the “straw man” technique. Here the Witnesses teach that they have the “truth” because they can prove that the Trinity defies human reasoning. When the Witnesses prove that the doctrine defies human reasoning they claim this as an earmark that they have the “truth,” when in reality they have just argued in support of the Trinitarian’s claim that the Trinity defies human reasoning.
To the unsuspecting lay person who never learned the basics regarding historical Christian development and the Trinity doctrine, the Witnesses look impressive as they do this trick. But in reality they’ve just knocked over a “straw man,” a moot argument that proves nothing but the exact same thing Trinitarians believe.
Again, please don't misconstrue this as a declaration of my personal beliefs or a promotion of the Trinity, but after reading many of the comments on here for some years before I finally began posting recently, one thing I have noticed, even in myself, is that the insidious techniques of programming the Witnesses employ often do not get entirely unlearned, and this often leaves people still misunderstanding many things in the world, especially in the world of religion.
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truthsearcher
Good first post Carl!
Your comments on the Witness approach to refuting the Trinity are well-founded.
I, however, am a Trinitarian. As you say, it is somewhat beyond human reasoning, but since:
1. I believe the New Testament clearly teaches the deity of Christ, and since
2. I believe that Bible, as God's inspired Word does not contradict itself, and since
3. It teaches that there is only one God,
Then the Trinity provides an explanation that takes these things into account.
Welcome, newbies to JWD!
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truthsearcher
"jesus" is but the "imag"ined pagan name given to one head of a three-headed pagan "god".......
Not sure where you are going with this one, Elderchild. The angel told Mary to name the baby, and He was announced to the shepherds as the Saviour, the Christ, the Messiah. Am I missing something in your reasoning here?
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blueviceroy
Creepy and wierd.
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ElderChild
"jesus" is but the "imag"ined pagan name given to one head of a three-headed pagan "god".......
"Let there be Light"! The Messiah, "The Beginning of The Creation of The Only True GOD".......
The Messiah, "The Light of The World" and "The Light of The New Heavenly Yerusalem".......
and while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
for Miracles do happen!
hope is there would be those who experiece The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The Truth".
peace, in spite of the dis-ease(lies) that are of this world and it's systems of religion for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth....... francisco
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AllTimeJeff
hope is there would be those who experiece The Miracle that is receiving "a love of The Truth".
peace, in spite of the dis-ease(lies) that are of this world and it's systems of religion for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth....... francisco
So if you don't believe in the trinity, you are diseased?
If you don't believe in god, your are diseased and under control of the wicked one?
And you also admit that it is a "miracle" to receive a love of "the truth"? (which the way you described "truth" is as clear as mud)
*sigh* It would be a miracle to get some people to admit that they can't explain their strong emotional beliefs. (like that observation will matter, i know it won't.) Live and let live! All the best to you.