by ElderChild 28 Replies latest watchtower bible
ElderChild,
Please note the name in the upper left hand corner "Jehovah's Witness DISCUSSION forum". We are here for discussions, not for sermons.
Several of us have tried to engage you in an honest discussion here.
So please do us all a favor and answer questions when you return, rather than continuing with the sermonizing. It'd be much appreciated.
Please note the name in the upper left hand corner "Jehovah's Witness DISCUSSION forum". We are here for discussions, not for sermons.
The thing is, that when you are the Messiah and/or God himself (as several posters on this forum apparently are), and/or you KNOW the TRUTH!!!, there can really be no discussion, only sermons to tell others how wrong they are.
This place sure seems to attract... well, let's just say 'all kinds of people'.
This place sure seems to attract... well, let's just say 'all kinds of people'.
and ofcourse there's me.
"In The Beginning" The Creator, The Father of ALL
said, "Let There Be Light, and there was Light"
... and you could see for miles!!
So Elderchild, do you know how to actually discuss an issue, or do you only know how to cut`n paste from you original post? Cause if that`s all, then your post is nothing more than propaganda, and most people on this forum are intelligent people, and intelligent people hate propaganda. There is nothing new in your post that hasn`t been discussed allready. If you want to persuade people to accept your Arius-inspired version of "christendom", you need to come up with something better than that.
This is how my older brother explained the trinity to me:
The Trinity is like a court. When you have a case in the supreme court for example, you address "the court." Now, the court is more than one person, but they all come together to make a decision. This is how the Trinity is. The Father is the head, but the Son and holy spirit are also part of the Godhead.
Personally, I am non-religious so I don't know if that's how the majority of Christians view the Trinity or if it's just another of my brother's crackpot ideas.
"Let There Be Light"
"In The Beginning" The Creator, The Father of ALL
said, "Let There Be Light, and there was Light"
......."Let There Be Light".......
"The Beginning of the Creation of GOD"
And Revelations 3:14 testifies that The Messiah
was "The Beginning of the Creation of GOD
(Father of All)"! And The Messiah testified that
His GOD and Father(Creator) is The GOD and
Father(Creator) of His Brethren.
It is very important to both know and experience
The Messiah as He was and is, and also to know
the "glory He had with Our Father" before He was
born in "the likeness of sinful flesh".
Frst, let me simply state that i believe that the
"catholic" and "christian" systems of religious
theo(ry)logy are Anti-Messiah for they "imag"ine
a "christ" who is either one head of a three-headed
pagan "god", or is "god and father", or is an
exalted messenger(angel),or is but a prophet.
It is needful to believe that The Messiah was, is
and always will be "The Son of The Living GOD"
and that there is but "One GOD, Father of ALL".
The Messiah testified that The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL, was His GOD and His Father, and
was also The GOD and Father of His Brethren.
..."Let There Be Light"...
The Messiah simply testified in John 17:5 "And
now, O Father, glorify Me with YOUR own self
with the glory that I had with YOU before the
world began".
Prior to that testimony The Messiah testified in
John 12:35-36,"Yet a little while is The Light with
you. Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness
comes upon you: for he that walks in darkness does
not know where he goes. While you have Light,
believe in The Light, that you may be the children
of Light.""
And the apostle John testified: "In the beginning
was the Word, and the Word was with GOD, and
the Word was(not is) GOD. The same was in the
beginning with GOD. All things were made by Him;
and without Him was not any thing made that was
made. In Him was life; and the life was the Light
of men. And The Light shined in darkness; and the
darkness comprehended it not. There was a man
sent from GOD, whose name was John. The same
came for a witness, to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through Him might believe. He(John
the baptist) was not that Light, but was sent to
bear witness of that Light(The Messia). He was the
True Light, which enlightens every man that comes
into the world. He(The Messiah) was in the world,
and the world was made by Him, and the world
knew Him not. He came unto His own, and His own
received Him not. But as many as received Him, to
them gave He power to become the sons of GOD,
even to them that believe on His name: Which were
born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man, but of The Only True GOD."
And the apostle John testified in John 3:17-21:
"For Our Father sent not his Son into the world to
condemn the world; but that the world through Him
might be saved. He that believes on Him is not
condemned: but he that believes not is condemned
already, because he has not believed in the name
of the only begotten Son of Our Father. And this
is the condemnation, that Light is come into the
world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil. For every one
that does evil hates The Light, neither comes to
The Light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that does Truth comes to The Light(The
Messiah), that his deeds may be made manifest,
that they are wrought in Our Father."
In John 12:34 the people asked, "who is this Son
of man? Then in John 12:35-36, "The Messiah
answered, yet a little while is The Light with you.
Walk while you have The Light, lest darkness
come upon you: for he that walks in darkness
does not know where he goes. While you have
Light, believe in The Light, that you may be the
children of Light. The Messiah spoke these things,
and departed, and hid Himself from them."
Simply, "in the beginning" The Only True GOD
spoke The Word, "Let There Be Light".......
and there was Light! Certainly that was not
"natural" light for "natural" light, the sun, moon,
and stars were not created until the "fourth day".
"In the beginning", "The First Day", The One GOD,
Father of All created "The Light", without which
Creation Life, as we now know and experience it,
could not have been.
The First Day, The Messiah, "The beginning of the
Creation of GOD(HE WHO is The Only True GOD
and Father of ALL)"! And "The Light which
enlightens every man born into the world", was
born as a child destined to be The Messiah.
The Messiah, "The Light of the world".
The Messiah, "The firstborn of all Creation".
The Messiah,"The firstborn among many brethren".
The Messiah, "The firstborn from among the dead".
The Messiah, "A servant of The Only True GOD".
Once again: "in the beginning" Our Father spoke:
"Let there be Light, and there was Light"!
The Messiah, "The Beginning of the Creation of
GOD", "the firstborn of all Creation".
HalleluYAH!
The Messiah, Created by The Only True GOD,
Father of ALL!
The Messiah, "The Light of the world"!
And The Messiah, "The Lamb of GOD," is
The Light of The New Heavenly Jerusalem.
Sadly, those of this world yet love darkness ;-(
And they will abide in that which they loved
forever ;-(
Sadder yet, religious systems of this world
such as "catholicism", "christianity", "judaism",
"islam",.etc., have so perverted The Testimonies,
that today, as in the yesterdays gone by, "The
Way of Truth is evil spoken of" because of their
theo(ry)logical, heretical doctrines that are of
men, and especially those theo(ry)logical
doctrines which seek to define The Only True
GOD, Father(Creator) of All.
All such doctrines are but the product of
mankind's "imag"ination and mankind's
"imag"ination is responsible for the destruction
and perversion of Creation(earth, air, water,
creatures, Truth, Love, Peace, Hope, .etc.)
Yes, sadly ;-( Creation is being destroyed by
self-willed men who could care less about that
which is of Truth(what is), and care even less
about those things which they can not compre-
hend apart from their natural senses and mental
processes ;-(
And Truth testifies, The Creator "will destroy
those who destroy the earth(HIS Creation)"
(Rev 11:18).
Sadly, in this wicked world, those who seek profit
will naturally overcome those who do not ;-(
Yet, while there is breath(spirit) there is hope!
For Miracles do happen and Faith rejoices against
theo(ry)logy(logic) and profit(greed)!
Hope is there would be those who experience
The Miracle that is "receiving a love of
The Truth" for they will "see" "The Light".
And they will receive peace, in spite of the
dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world, for
they will clearly "see" this world and it's
systems of religion as they are, and not as
"imag"inative humans would have us believe
them to be.
They will clearly "see" that "The WHOLE world
is under the control of the evil one" and that
this world's systems of theo(ry)logical religion
are all Anti-Messiah(Anti-Light), indeed and
Truth.......period....... Francisco
So instead of actually adressing arguments raised, you just repeat your first post, down to the letter. Troll-alert!
discussion, disputation, debate, all manifest but delusionary "shadows" of Truth.......period....... simply, Truth, as all that is Good, is Spirit and must be received.......period....... peace, in spite of the dis-ease(shadows) that are of this world and it's systems of religion for "the WHOLE world is under the control of the evil one" indeed and Truth....... francisco
