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ex-nj-jw

Yes, all apostates don't believe in the trinity, but they do turn back to false teachings

I'm an apostate and I don't believe in trinity or any bible teachings, I guess this is the false religion you refer to. I don't want any part of organized religion. It seems that you are here to argue and accuse others of not answering you question. No one here is going to give you the answer that you want to hear. If you want to hear only what you have been taught, then I suggest you leave this site and run quickly back to the JW's.

By the way did you know that you could be in big trouble for being on this site and communicating with apostates?

nj

fifi40

He cant count his time...............he should not be talking to apostates or disfellowshipped people..................hows your conscience with that Nizmo????

AuldSoul

fifi40 Was not necessary to use it? Gods personal name? How can this be so if where suppose to treat Gods name as sacred John 12:28 "Father, glorify Your NAME. Jesus said "NAME" Is the mistranslated "I Am" a name? No. Is Lord/LORD a name? No. Your opinions are wrong, and they do not go long with the bibles teachings.

Jesus said his disciples should go baptizing in the NAME of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Apply your own logic and admit their error, or try to split more hairs. While we are on the subject, if ALL JWs must individually preach because of Matthew 28:19, 20, why must not ALL individual JWs baptize people because of the same commission?

Contextually, If my boss gives me all authority in the company isn't my authority equal to his? Not greater than, but equal to? If Jesus is to be glorified alongside the Father, which is deserving of more glory? If Jesus is at the Father's right hand, is he beneath the Father?

You are mistaken about so very much ... and blind to your error. Your organization says, "We have no sin." Their sin remains.

—AuldSoul

nicolaou

nimzo, you came into our forum with 'attitude' and were greeted with politeness and tolerance.

How about showing some more manners?

Dorktacular

Well, let's all agree that God has a name. We know that the Hebrew Tetragramaton, which loosely translates into the letters YHWH, has come to be pronounced in English as Yaweh or Jehovah. We ALL know this. We all know who God is and who Jehovah is and that these two words are interchangeable. If one of us says the word God or the word Jehovah, we are all on the same page. Let's all agree: Jehovah is God; God is Jehovah. Nimzo, I think we all know this and agree to that. Let's not forget why we're here, however.

There are those among us that choose to "Gulp down the camel but strain out the gnat". The issue that you are fixated on right now is just nitpicking. I don't think that any of us left the organization because of the number of times the word Jehovah is used in the bible or because we disagreed with any solid biblical teachings. I think most of us did and still do love God. The reason we left the organization is because we had a problem with the organization, not with Jehovah. We saw things going on and things being taught that our conscience wouldn't allow us to accept any longer. There have been too many changes in doctrine and too many things swept under the carpet, as it were, for us to continue supporting the organization. Just read the posts on this board and see for yourself what some have experienced! See how so many have stumbled in their faith due to the actions of those who didn't act in the way Christ commanded! Honestly, even if half of everything posted on this site were lies, that would still leave an overwhelming amount of topics that should be cause enough for concern.

Nimzo, we have realized that it is still possible to love Jehovah without having to love what some of us have come to believe is a corrupt organization. We don't hate you or want you or any of the currently practicing witnesses to have to do anything differently or do anything that you don't want to do. But, the fact that you've come here is a sign that you might be looking for something. I can't tell you what that something is, and maybe you don't even know what it is yet. But, we're all here whenever you want to talk. Do what your heart tells you to do. Do what your faith tells you to do. In the end, it's all a matter of faith and what you believe in.

DJK

This suggests a secracy regarding the tetragrammaton. Possibly those who wanted it kept a secret, are the ones you should ask.

http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/bldefyhvh.htm

The four letter tetragrammaton (Greek, 'four letters') is the 'true' name of the God of the Hebrew scriptures. It never appears complete in written form; only the four consonant letters, YHVH (Hebrew, Yod Heh Vau Heh, read right to left), or in the Latin version, IHVH.

At the time the Hebrew scriptures were written, spoken language was considered to be very powerful. With a cosmology that viewed the creation as the result of an utterance, the name of the creator was considered very powerful knowledge. Because the pronunciation of the name of God considered to have such great power, it was kept a secret- only the highest-ranked members of the priesthood were entrusted with the knowledge. Even then, the Name was only pronounced during one time of the year, during the Feast of Atonement, Yom Kippur.

Junction-Guy

I stand by my original answer, if God had wanted the Tetragrammaton in there, then it would be in there. All scriptures are inspired.

After Jesus came to the earth, his name was to be exhalted, it is under his name that we gain salvation.

nimzo

AuldSoul Show me in the Bible where its disrespectful to use the Fathers name. You're also using bad examples because our Heavenly Father tells us to call him by HIS NAME, and not by a TITLE. If I tell you to give glory to my name, will you call me Boy rather than my actual name? No. Whats disrespectful is that Father tells us to use his name, when MEN tell us not to. Why did the New World Translation restore gods personal name in the New Testament? Easy. When a the title lord (or "Lord God" in Rev 1:8), then it would be obvious to restore Gods personal name there. I also didn't dodge your previous question, you just didn't like my response. Just the way you respond shows your lack of bible knowledge and the lack of understanding of the scriptures. Jesus taught of HOW TO PRAY, and he told us to PRAY TO THE FATHER. Show me one scripture where Jesus state us to pray to him? Matthew 6:9-13 GOD'S WORD Translation "This is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, let your name be kept holy. 'Your kingdom come. Your will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.'Give us this day our daily bread.'And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.' We follow Jesus, and we pray through him. We pray about Jesus and how he leads us to him, which is the Father.. You cannot find one scripture that says were suppose to pray to Jesus.

nimzo

You're soo correct fifi40

nimzo

fifi40 I showed you facts already that it did. You guys still can't give me a good answer to why the Tetragrammaton was not used in the NT when they obviously quoted the OT. Seems pretty obvious that the divine name was removed.

Jehovah's Witness here.

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