"Who Killed the Electric Car?"

by whyamihere 41 Replies latest jw friends

  • Highlander
    Highlander

    The consumer doesn't want to see a car that runs on 1/5 of the cost that we're presently paying.

    The vast majority of consumers have chosen gas guzzling rigs over the available economical vehicles that are on the market.(speaking in terms of the North American automotive market)

    If the majority of consumers are now wanting to purchase fuel efficient vehicles, then the market will adjust for that. As far as I'm concerned I hope that the cost of gasoline goes up to 5 dollars per gallon or higher. Only then will the consumer actually make a choice to drive something more efficient. Money is most definitely the motivator of people involved in the automotive industry and the oil industry.(or any business) Don't forget, it is also the main motivator of the consumer. When the consumer has to dig deeper into their pockets, then maybe they'll stop being so wasteful and by making better chioces will create a market for efficient vehicles.

    BTW, which hybrid or electric vehicle do you own?

  • BrentR
    BrentR

    Until they perfect internal ceramic engine coatings hydrogen is a long way off being used as an internal combustion fuel. Hydrogen embrittlement destroys metals by forming micro cracks leading to structural failure.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement

  • one
    one

    hilghander, "BTW, which hybrid or electric vehicle do you own? " just thinking about the hyghlander, but I am radical, will switch from gas to totally electric or alternative fuel, period. brentr, i will get carried aways, sorry... 1 - who wrote the wikepedia you quote or linked? I wont bother to check. 2 - how many miles will it take for the engine to breakdown? [for using hydrogen], needing to be replaced. 3- do you know the the cure to such a problem?, if it really is a problem... or at least have you research about solutions/ 4- is the problem, if proven, so big that we should forget about hydrogen? 5 - why spacraft [NASA] have always used and still used hydrogen as fuel/ 6- Did you know gasoline is mixed with lubricants to prevent basically the same problem you are referring to? 7 - finally did you know engines could be disposable, replace every 2 years lets say and still save money along the way. 8- whats your background and who do you work for? 9- did you know the final solutions is the electric car using fuel cell powered by hydrogen, no combustion [cracking] to worry about. 10- did you know the electric motor is the most efficient, practical "engine" and that you can no live without it?, check your refrigerator, washing machine microwave, fan, electric shaver, pc, printer etc, why some of those appliances do not use gas engines, but electric motors, anymore as they used to.

  • one
    one

    my post show as a single parragrahp, when i really separate my deatrive into litle parragraphs [5 lines max]

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    Ya really wanna know?

    Listen to BrentR- although I would add that producing, transmitting, converting, storing, reconverting, and (finally) transferring from potential to kinetic any form of energy, especially electrical energy, is very, very, very, very, very, very, inefffcient.

    BA- knows about 'dis stuff.

    PS- best solution is - ???

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I noticed this with every single attempt to go with alternative energy. We had the energy crisis of 1973, and there was talk about alternatives. Yet, every single one of them was shot down by anti-alternative groups. The Watchtower Clam Shell Alliance killed nuclear power, preventing the development of solutions to make them run more reliably and cleaner. Hydro is killed by specious arguments about fish needing to get up the waterfalls. Geothermal is also "unfeasible" because of similar specious arguments. Solar takes too much space and is inefficient, which is why they don't work on improving the technology. Wind power may disrupt birds (but probably will not), so that too is dead.

    What is left is oil, natural gas, and coal. Each time someone tries to advance past this, they run into technical problems. This cannot be real--if they had that argument with light bulbs, we would still be running gas lamps today! Obviously, every time someone has a real breakthrough, the big oil companies will step in and protest it, arguing that it will ruin the environment (as oil isn't already). So they need some wimpy excuse to keep us depending on oil.

    This is happening throughout the whole of technology. Medical research is deadlocked, bent on never finding cures for anything (just keeping people dependent on drugs that have to be taken for life). Food processors have no interest in advancing genetic modification past where it is now and using it to actually improve the total value of the food while still providing for our future. Nor do they have interest in providing us with real food that builds health. And, likewise, the big oil companies do not want to have me or anyone else find a way to fill your gas tank with [polluted or salty] water and drive on that alone, or find an energy source that allows you to never have to charge it (it would be always on and running, and free).

    I say, we all need to just dump those honking SUVs and get bicycles. That might not always be practical. But, unless we demand vehicles that use little or no gas, we are going to let GM control us all. Unlike the medical/food industries, we can put a big dent in GM's profits by getting bicycles where possible. Walking and riding bicycles are extremely energy efficient, and quite green to boot. Plus, you may lose some weight and get into shape, putting a dent on your medical consumption in 20 years.

    If that is impossible, we can all demand vehicles that, while having reasonable power, can get 100 MPG and more. If we buy the most fuel efficient vehicles we can, that will force the makers to focus on fuel economy. And, if GM starts inflating its economy numbers (putting 60 MPG claims on cars that really get the standard 18 GPM), not only those models get boycotted, but blogs and posts about those scams get plastered on the Internet like with the Watchtower Society. It won't take long before those little Hondas and Toyotas start outselling GM (look what happened to Ford when they took the lazy way out!).

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate
    I say, we all need to just dump those honking SUVs and get bicycles. That might not always be practical. But, unless we demand vehicles that use little or no gas, we are going to let GM control us all. Unlike the medical/food industries, we can put a big dent in GM's profits by getting bicycles where possible. Walking and riding bicycles are extremely energy efficient, and quite green to boot. Plus, you may lose some weight and get into shape, putting a dent on your medical consumption in 20 years.

    BA-Bravo, you may not realize how profound you statment is, yet.

    PS- Get yer mind wrapped around survival, folks.

  • tula
  • Mary
    Mary
    highlander asked: BTW, which hybrid or electric vehicle do you own?

    None right now....I bought a Ford Taurus for a really good price about 3 years ago before the price of gas absolutely skyrocketed....it'll be paid off next year and then I'm selling it and am going to get either a Smart Car or one of Toyota's hybrids. Both Toyota and the government are giving rebates and they're apparently phenomenol on gas.

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    All the new hybrid cars in Australia are crap compared to these 90's cars....the Oil Company devils set this science back 20 years at least.

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