by solidergirl 52 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
If there is any God, I surely would think he or it is not like the one described in the Old Testament, the one who says he causes both good and evil.Of course he isn't. That is the biggest bunch of bull anyone could fall for.
And yet that is the very definition of God accepted by those who say the Bible is the inspired word of God. And this version of "God" has been used to inspire and justify horrible warfare and cruelty such as the Inquisition of the middle ages.
And this version of "God" has been used to justify horrible warfare and cruelty such as the Inquisition of the middle ages.
Yeah, but that ain't God's fault. People gotta get with the program, if it sound ludicrous, it probably is.
FHN, just curious -- what's the "program" you refer to?
I don't know that you need a program to treat mankind with kindness, and to care for your family, things like that. I don't even think you need a god to be a great person and contributor to humanity.
FHN, just curious -- what's the "program" you refer to?
Figure of speech, sweety darlin'.
It probably all depends on how each of us defines "god." The Bible doesn't come close to describing the god I would want to worship. Wrong car manual for me:)
The death of my belief in God actually came 6 months ago and I have yet to leave. My situation prevents me from making a break right now, but I long for the day when that comes. Anyway, I don't see my deconversion as any different than the deconversion of someone who is baptist or mormon. Most people aren't born to atheist parents, so it happens to a lot of people. The principle reasons for my lack of belief are this:
1. No one has been able to present a supporting argument for God worthy of my consideration.
2. The Bible is a deeply flawed book whose contradictions are only explained away by a set of mental gymnastics called theology.
3. Even in the extremely remote possibility a creator exists, the chances that a group of bronze age shepards figured it all out 5,000 years ago are even more astoundingly small.
4. Just because we don't know how something works doesn't mean that God did it.
One point in addition to what B_Deserter just mentioned:
The creationists / Intelligent Design people tell us that the complexity of the universe around us points to a Creator.
However, wouldn't such a Creator surely be superior to his creation? (Isn't a potter greater than the 'lump of clay'?)
So... we're told this same Creator existed eternally into the past. So -- did this very complex Creator pop up out of nowhere? If nobody made the Creator, it indicates something complex could arise out of nothing.
Gopher The divine always existed , and all things occur at the same instant even though we percieve them as seperate instances,
Time is an illusion to reference our experience against, all things have come to pass in the eyes of the divine.
The suffering we endure is meant to teach us of the futility in seeking permenance in an impermanent world and to seek that which is permanent.
The only thing that is unchanging within a humans experience is the very conciousness on which the events in our lives are experienced.
It was there at your first active memory ,unchanged even to this day, the only part of you that can't be lied to by self.
It is the same thing looking through your eyes at this screen reading my words as the thing looking through my eyes at me writing them for you.
We are all part of that bro. What is God? That word just isn't good enough for what I experience.
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blueviceroy, can you give any reason whatsoever to believe any of that?
I know it's what you believe, but all you've done is state your beliefs as if they are fact, without providing any backing to them.
How do you know all you say is true?
(I won't be back for a while now)
I have no facts . I have no proof . i have not one thing to prove to anyone that anything I put forth is meaningful in anyway.
I only speak from experience , in that I mean I have experienced something that is beyond anything this world can describe.
It is what I am inside ,and it is what you are inside , if you don't understand it without some further clarification , then i'm afraid there is nothing more I can add ..
We are what we are , and the full experience of what we are is all I am putting forth , it has nothing extraordinary to offer, just clarity and understanding, knowing that we are already complete and need nothing other than a very simple understanding of our own true nature to free us from the delusions that cause our suffering in the face of the inevitable .
As to proof what do you mean exactly?
Are you numb to your own sense of what you are?
Do you have a presence of energy in your being?
The fact that you are capable of existing is all the proof I can offer, it is simple beyond belief and if one isn't ready to recieve what is always available then the suffering isn't over for that individual, and more must be experienced.
We are all the same inside , only our story is unique.
