SIGH... Mother troubles again...

by Elyse867 27 Replies latest jw friends

  • sweetstuff
    sweetstuff

    I would want her out of there ASAP after reading those emails. She referred to her grandkids as "another litter". WTF? My parents are JWs and a bit wacked due to it, but they love their grandkids and take them at least 2 weeks every summer for a vacation for me and them. When they are around my kids, they read them stories, spend time with them, because they want to. This woman views her grandkids as a burden and not a joy. And eventually the kids will feel that. Not good.

    You were good enough to make room for her in your home, let her use your car, help her out with hers. Yet, this is her attitude? She feels she is the one "hard done by". I'd follow the posters advice and tell her you don't want to burden her with the kids and you can see its taking a toll on her health, etc. Suggest she find some brothers and sisters with a more suitable arrangement for her, as soon as possible. Good riddance to toxic people. It will be alot easier to have a "civil" relationship if you want one, when she is not under your roof. Knowing what you know now, it's just going to eat away at you, having her there I mean. (((Hugs)))

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Just rmember that when a witless relative is alone with your children, the mind poisoning starts.

    HB

  • momzcrazy
    momzcrazy

    Oh do I feel for you. My mother was never really a mother either. She is also a zealous witless after years of inactivity. I have allowed her to live with us also, but she has bought a house and is an hour away. I just left her a message last night that we had left and were doing the holidays. No phone calls yet. None of her kids are witlesses now. She is waiting until she can collect dad's social insecurity and then she's moving to AZ. Her kids live in TN and NY.

    I suggest talking to your husband and as a united front do what everyone has suggested. That is a poisonous attitude to have in YOUR home. You can still help if need be, but you don't need her in your home. Especially since you and the kids are such a burden. Maybe a single sister needs a roommate. I have a friend whose elderly mom lives with another elderly sister and they are great company for each other. Or she can marry her elder boyfriend.Batting Eyelashes

    Good for you for giving her a place to live and sacrificing so much to do so.

    momz

  • BlackSwan of Memphis
    BlackSwan of Memphis

    Keep in mind, she's venting to a friend. She probably has good days and bad days and it's possible she may even feel like she needs to justify to this elder boyfriend why she's staying with you.

    I have done the sneaking into other people's writings in the past (my mil lived with us for several years and was abusing valiums) and ya know the one thing I learned is this, sometimes we write to just get something out. We vent, we bitch, we whine and moan. And then we feel better and we move on.

    That being said, I am not a fan of parents living with their childen. I know, I know there is this huge thing about how adult children should take care of their elderly parents. This can be done without the parent living with the child and his/her family.

    My MIL now lives in a nice apt. It's part of the housing through the state. How much she pays is based on how much (or little) she receives and is determined at the outset. More than likely the state where you live has a subsidized housing. Also, if you have siblings of any age, it's important that they understand that her care is not your sole responsibility.

    good luck

  • llbh
    llbh

    We had my in laws for stay for 8 weeks. That was difficult 4 all, but to find that yours viewed it as a burden ??!! My mum in law left us a bottle of Brandy a big cheque and various other gifts She really did appreciate it. Father in Law didn't but that is another matter

    llbh

  • horrible life
    horrible life

    Black Swan We are two birds of a feather. I was just about to write all of that, but refreshed the page, before posting!!!! We need to go get a drink sometime.

    Elder boyfriend?? Maybe she wants to hurry him up, asking her to marry him?? Poor, Poor me?? It doesn't make her real appealing to me, but it may work on an older elder.

    And on the moving to an income based apartment, I would tell her, that you and your husband, really need your marital bedroom back. I think she will understand that. Start reasearching, and ask her about sisters in the cong.

    I think you can get her out, and still salvage your "friendship". Good Luck!!! <<I can say it!

  • mathilde
    mathilde

    What your mom´s doing is very wrong against you and your family.

    Sorry to say that it brings back memories about my own mother.... and I loved my mother very much too (sigh)

    But as you say that she is writing to her "boyfriend" it sounds to me that she´s trying to make him feel sorry for her and to make him marry her in a hurry.

    1- She tells him that she needs her own place (yes, you both do)

    2- She feels the children like a burden.

    3- She is scared that Jehovah will kill her by accident in the great A

    4- She doesn´t want to live with folks who don´t have love for the WT

    It sounds like "save me- save me" to me.

    Your mother loves you but needs to get out of your house,she needs her own place where she can be "queen of the castle".

    Once she has mooved out things might get a lot better between the 2 of you. Then you can visit each other have a cup of coffee or a meal and then you can both go to your own place again-very healthy for any grown up child/parent relationship.

    I truely believe that she´s only moaning and groaning about her terrible life because she´s trying to get married as soon as possible.

    (ah, such a good catch, an elder!)

    Why don´t you ask her if there are any wedding plans?

    Mathilde

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    Keep in mind, she's venting to a friend. She probably has good days and bad days and it's possible she may even feel like she needs to justify to this elder boyfriend why she's staying with you.

    I tend to agree with that. She might be overstating things to get his approval.

    I tend to agree with virtually everything Wing Commander said, also.

    your kids in your bedroom (unacceptable)
    Tell her these arrangements are not working out for you, that you feel your house is not large enough and that YOU are burdening her with the kids and also that you don't want to be a "spiritual burden or barrier" to her.
    Don't make her make YOU the bad one in this; after all, you took her in in the first place!

    "Mom, our little house just doesn't have enough bedrooms for this situation to go on. The kids
    need more space and they are such a burden on you. Plus I wonder if you would feel uncomfortable
    being with your congregation people instead of us. So how soon are we going to be able to end our
    temporary arrangement? (Remind her of anything she said about that prior to now)"

    "Are you asking me to leave?"

    "It's just that I don't think you are happy here, and the situation with the kid's bedroom really isn't
    going to work. Hubby and I need our space, they need theirs, I am sure you need yours."

    If the car situation comes up again: "We'd be happy to drop you off at the Kingdom Hall when you
    can't find a ride, but we can't loan you our car. Aren't the brothers and sisters loving enought to
    get you and drop you off? If not, ask us for a ride, call us when you need to be picked up. We will
    be there for you if they won't."

    If she's rejecting the vacation offers, then continue to offer them.
    Ask her what her intentions are with that elder. Shouldn't they be making plans?
    Start hiring a babysitter without telling her, see what she thinks- hurt or happy. Tell her you didn't
    want to burden her.

  • MikeA
    MikeA

    Elyse,
    From the point of view of one who has had all of my brothers and sister, not to mention many other relatives, shun me I have taken a very hard line. Tough love is it. Let the JW's take care of themselves. If they need assistance, have them talk to themselves.

    Under the circumstances, it would appear that she doesn't appreciate your kids anymore than my relatives do mine. They are more than aware that they are not permitted to talk to or associate with my daughter. MY CALL on that one! I won't have them poisoning my daughter's mind with their lies and deceit. THey did the shunning and I ensured that the door was slammed shut! They will have to do much more than a simple apology (figure the odds) to get back in my good graces.

    Your company and the company of your husband and children should be the most important thing to your mom, but other than as a meal ticket and a ride, it would appear you are meaningless to her. CALL HER ON IT! But only when your head is clear and you are exceptionally calm. She will know you are serious if you don't come unglued. Make any visitation contingent on her publicly disavowing any association with WT. But, again, make it clear that it was HER choice, not yours. She went through that door that separates her from her family, you are just politely, but intentionally, closing it!

    I have been dealing with this for quite some time and had one incident that I will speak to here that may grab your attention. One of my great-aunts, a used-to-be wonderful lady, invited me, my wife and my daughter over to her house for dinner. I hadn't seen her in years because I was on the other side of the world for most of that time and had now been stationed in a place that was very close by to some of my family, her included. Anyway, we had a nice dinner and spoke to all manner of things, but nothing JW. That was cool....... I thought! Well, shortly after, I had to go to the middle east for a bit. During that time, she wrote my wife and told her that she and my daughter were welcome to come over but I was not. She had just found out I was DF'd I guess..... whatever.

    Anyway, she wrote this rather lengthy letter and my wife didn't tell me about it til I had been back from my overseas assignment for a few days. She then let me see it......... you wouldn't believe what that letter was trying to do. My wife, never a JW, had the exact same thought about it that I did..... She was trying to break me and my wife up!!!!!!!!! Trying to drive a wedge between us. Well folks, that was all it took. All of the prior shunning I had experienced and now this..... it was to much. So I took an action that made it clear to the rest of my family that you get between me and my wife and there will be hell to pay. I called her up, read the riot act to her, to include things like this: "I now have a record of this call and since it is long distance, that record is written. If you or any member of your household ever physically contacts me, calls me or my wife, sends any form of correspondance or in any way attempt to make contact, I will take you to court for harrassment. I will have you arrested. This call is being recorded (and it was, I still have the tape and the letter). At this time, you are no longer a member of my family and I will treat you just like anyone else harrassing me or my family. Got it?" She answered yes, and I proceeded to hang up.

    Well, you can guess the outcry that occurred in the "rest of my JW so-called family." The problem for everyone involved was that they couldn't deny what my ex-aunt was trying to do...... I had the evidence..... the letter. I then took the opportunity to tell them that the biblical warning about families breaking up is, in the case of JW's, a self-fulfilling prophesy and this is a perfect example. Then I told them that if any of them mentioned her name in front of me or my wife, I would apply the same rules to them as I had applied to her. EVERYONE GOT THAT? You try to break my immediate family apart and you can expect the wrath of a serviceman to be breathing down you neck just like I would any other ENEMY.

    Additionally, I made it very clear to all concerned that the "bridge was burned." No apologies will be expected or accepted from her. To me, she is dead. Believe it or not...... most of my family backed off fast. REALLY FAST! They realized that I was not kidding, I was deadly serious and unless they wanted to permanently become persona non-grata, with no chance of redemption, they had better listen to me.

    I wouldn't have reacted so strongly, except I saw this person as an immediate threat to my marriage which, if they would actually READ their silly book, she should have known was one of the biggest no-no's in there and that my response was indeed biblically valid. When a husband marries a wife, all other family is second..... period! It worked for me....... they don't even come CLOSE to threatening me or MY family with their crap. "I" am in control, not them and/or their silly elders.

    Anywho..... sorry for making this so very long. But I wanted you to see another way of responding to the kinds of madness JW relatives expose us to and expect us to accept. I find what your mother said to be utterly reprehensible. Disgusting in the extreme...... and SHE said it, not you! But that is my take..... and believe me, as should be readily apparent, I truly feel your pain. This religion SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

  • dogisgod
    dogisgod

    I think she's trying to put the pressure on her "elder" boyfriend so he can mount the white horse and save her. Of course, she is doing it at your expense. And that whole line "what if I am here when "the end" comes?" SO WHAT!!!!! I hope that "elder" sees how mean and manipulative she is and moves to Brazil. She needs to get a place of her own. I'm sorry you are going through this. I know it's hard but I don't think you should take this personally...it's all about HER....

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