My Witness Sister Asks Me For Her Inactive Daughters Phone Number ?

by flipper 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • flipper
    flipper

    Amazingly enough my JW sister ( very self righteous ex-Gilead graduate ) called me for the first time in 3 years asking for her own 32 year old inactive daughters phone number . Her husband's mom died last Friday , my brother -in -laws mom , and she said she had not talked with her daughter, my niece , in 5 years. My sister dissapproved of her daughter getting a law degree at a university in California and shunned her for 5 years because her daughter stopped going to meetings to get an education ! So, my sister knew I was still talking with her daughter and staying close to her, so she had to call me for her own daughters phone number to inform her of her grandmother's death . So weird.

    The conversation with my sister was so stilted and tense, you could tell it just killed her to get her own daughters phone number from her quote " apostate " brother . Her voice was unemotional as she started in asking, " Mr. Flipper do you have my daughters phone number ? My husband's mom died and we wanted to be the ones to tell my daughter . " Of course I was sympathetic, I said, " I'm so sorry sis to hear that happened. Please tell your husband I'm sorry. " My sister continued, " I don't know if you keep in touch with my daughter much , but we just have her old phone number, not her current one . We have tried to get her new one but can't get a hold of her by e-mail or anything . " I said, " Sure, here is her number, I'm sure she will be glad you guys told her instead of getting the news through the grapevine . " I continued, " Your daughter is doing well in school, got her law degree , is also working in acupressure as well as law . I'm proud of her. She is a wonderful niece ! " I continued , " You should be proud of her too in what she has accomplished ! " My sister was quiet, and said, " Well thanks for the number. " I thought , What a rude woman, not to acknowledge her daughters accomplishments !

    Then I asked to talk with her elder husband to give him condolences . He got on and was so polite, thankful and grateful to me for having compassion for his mom dying . He even asked about how I was doing ? , (something my own sister would not even do ! ) I said I was fine , had married a wonderful woman, through e-harmony, and he said, " I'm so happy for you. Sounds like things are working out great for you. " We talked about my mom's operation in September and had a lovely 10 minute conversation , as opposed to a 1 minute chat with my sister !

    It reminded me of the book I am reading, " Combatting Cult Mind Control". It says cult members have 2 personalities, the cult personality- then the real personality . My brother in law showed me his real , decent personality ( non-cult ) , but my sister still had the cult personality while just talking about family deaths ! So stilted, guarded, unemotional and robotic . It is truly unbelievable to me, that two parents did not have their own daughters phone number, and have to call me to get it ! Unbelievable ! A truly sad commentary on how this Jehovah's Witness cult- rips families apart . What do you folks think of this experience ? Have you had similar things happen, where you don't hear from relatives, and then in a family emergency they desperately call you because they are forced too ? I invite your experiences too ! Thanks, and Merry Christmas and Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    I hope your niece doesn't mind your giving out her number.

    On the other hand, it would give her the opportunity to give her mom a much deserved earfull.

    W

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    My father's mom upon hearing my father was reinstated called my mom: "Tell [my son] I am pleased he has come back to Jehovah."

    Mom: "Tell him yourself." I mean, geez, my parents are both there in the same house!

    I'm kinda surprised that sis actually tried to track down her DFed daughter...

  • flipper
    flipper

    FINALLY FREE- Yeah! I'm sure my niece doesn't mind her mom having her phone number , she has never said anything to me about her mom not having it . My niece has actually always seemed sad that her mom dissed her accomplishments in school . After all this is considered a " family " death or emergency .

    VOIDEATER- Yes indeed. Why can't these witnesses tell inactive or relatives themselves they are happy for them ? I agree. The sad thing in regards to my sister dissing my niece is she is only inactive, not DFed. These cult thinking people are sick

  • moshe
    moshe
    A truly sad commentary on how this Jehovah's Witness cult- rips families apart .

    This is just the kind of first person account that needs to be written up in the newspaper- like a letter to the editor -a New Year's resolution to stay in touch with family and call your relatives every year- don't end up like my JW sister who won't talk to her own daughter and had to call me after five years to get her telephone number. Then explain why your sister is on the outs with her daughter- I sure wish more of this stuff could make it into the newspaper. It might shame JW's into a self examination of their anti-family behavior.

  • Maddie
    Maddie

    You are right Mr. Flipper about the dual personality present in cult members. I have experienced it in my son and it always confused me before I understood what was happening. Sometimes he seems like his "real self" and then will go into the JW personality. Its not always just what he says because his whole demeanour seems to change too. I have ordered "Releasing the Bonds" and hope it will help me to get him out of the WT.

    Maddie

  • flipper
    flipper

    MOSHE- Very true. Perhaps I could put this experience into a newspaper so people could be educated to see how divisive the " cult mind control " mentality of Jehovah's Witnesses is really killing family unity all over the world ! To me it was just shocking , getting a phone call from my own sister for her own daughters phone number ! It still blows me away ! I could sense my sister was even embarrassed having to resort to do that ! You would think that alone would cause her shame within herself ! But, I do not think witnesses know what shame is

  • flipper
    flipper

    MADDIE- Yes, I bet you have seen that in your son. I too, have seen the personality flip-flop in my witness daughters as well ! But it was so freaky for me to see my brother-in-law, an elder, be so nice and drop the cult personality awhile, and then experience the cultlike personality from my sister- all in one phone call ! It was like talking with Dr. Jekyll one minute, then Mr. Hyde the next minute ! Crazy, weird ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • changeling
    changeling

    All I can say is shame on them.

    Happy holidays Mr. and Mrs. Flipper!

    changeling

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Sorry to hear about your niece's grandmother. Also sorry to hear about your sister's guarded attitude.

    Your sister was already put on guard to protect her cult personality before she decided to call you.
    She knew all the WT garbage about what conversations with apostates can lead to. Even though
    you are not a DF'ed JW, she was prepared. Your Brother-in-Law was dealing with his mother's
    passing, and was allowing himself to grieve and accept the condolences of others, not guarding his
    cult personality. Good job noticing the difference.

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