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Here's an interesting take on Jehovah from "The Gods of Eden" by William Bramley. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Jehovah
MUCH OF THE Old Testament is devoted to describing the origins and early history of the Hebrew people. According to the Bible, the Hebrews descended from a clan which lived in the Sumerian city of Ur around 2000 to 1500 B.C. The clan was befriended and ruled by a personality named Jehovah. The Bible claims that Jehovah was God.
According to the Biblical narrative, Jehovah encouraged the clan to leave Ur and settle in Haran—a caravan center in northeastern Mesopotamia. There, Jehovah later told the clan’s new patriarch, Abraham, to lead his tribe on a migration towards Egypt. The tribe complied, and over the ensuing generations it slowly made its way through Canaan towards the Nile River. Starvation finally forced the tribe to enter the Egyptian region of Goshen where the Hebrew sat first lived well under the pharaoh, but upon the coming of a new king to the Egyptian throne, the Hebrews were forced into slavery.
The Bible states that after four hundred years of servitude in Egypt, the Hebrews were led on an exodus out of Egypt by Moses under the watchful eye of Jehovah. By that time, the Hebrews numbered in the hundreds of thousands. After a long trek and many bloody battles, the Hebrew tribes returned to and conquered Canaan, which was the “Promised Land” pledged to them centuries earlier by Jehovah.
And so, according to the Bible, was born the Jewish religion.
Jehovah was clearly an important character in this Biblical story. Who was he? Was Jehovah God, as the Bible alleges? Was he a myth, as skeptics with a secular orientation would have us believe? Jehovah appears to have been neither.
The name Jehovah comes from the Hebrew word “Yahweh,” meaning “he that is” or “the self-evident.” This appellation conveys the idea that the Biblical Jehovah was a pure spiritual being; a true Supreme Being, if you will. But was he?
Old Testament descriptions of Jehovah have provided afield day for UFO writers, and for good reason. Jehovah travelled through the sky in what appears to have been a noisy, smoking aircraft.
A Biblical description of Jehovah landing on a mountaintop describes him this way:
. .. there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the sound of the trumpet was exceedingly loud;* and all of the people that were in the camp trembled.
* A trumpet-like sound accompanied many appearances of Jehovah.
And Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet with God; and they stood at the lower part of the mountain.
And Mount Sinai was altogether covered with smoke, because the Lord descended upon it in fire: and the smoke from the fire billowed upwards like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked greatly. GENESIS 19:16-19
If an ancient Hebrew were to observe the rumbling, smoke, and flame of a modern rocketship, the description would not have been much different than this Biblical narrative of Jehovah. A later visit by Jehovah contained the same phenomena:
And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they moved away and stood far off. GENESIS 20:18
Lest it be assumed that these descriptions might be of a volcano, further sightings reveal that Jehovah was a moving object:
And the Lord travelled before them [the Hebrew tribes] by day in a pillar of cloud, to lead them the way; by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:
He took not away the pillar of the cloud by day, or the pillar of fire by night, from in front of the people. EXODUS 13:21-22
Exodus 14:24, 40:34-38, and Numbers 19:1-23 contain identical descriptions of Jehovah as he led the Hebrew tribes to the Promised Land.
The ancient Hebrew eyewitnesses responsible for the above descriptions were not able to get a closer look at Jehovah. The Bible points out that no one was permitted to approach Jehovah’s mountaintop landing sites except Moses and a few select leaders. Jehovah had threatened to kill anyone else who tried. The early Bible therefore contains only descriptions of Jehovah as eyewitnesses saw him from a distance. It was not until much later that one of the Bible’s most famous prophets, Ezekiel, was able to get a closer look and describe Jehovah in greater detail.
Ezekiel’s description is probably the most often-quoted Biblical passage in UFO literature. Ezekiel's detailed account of strange aerial objects has created speculation of such intensity that even one Bible publisher, Tyndale House, prefaced its introduction to the Book of Ezekiel with the title, “Dry Bones and Flying Saucers?”.
At the risk of boring some readers with yet another repetition of Ezekiel’s famous words, I reproduce them here for the benefit of those who are not familiar with them:
Now it occurred in my thirtieth year, in the fourth month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
And I looked, and behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire flashed, causing a brightness about it, and out of the midst of it gleamed something like a pale yellow metal.
Also out of the midst of it appeared four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of men.
And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was shaped like the sole of a calf s foot; and they sparkled like burnished brass.
And they had human hands under their four-sided wings. Their wings were joined together; and they did not turn when they went, they all went straightforward.
As for the appearance of their faces, they had the face of a man, and the face of a lion on the right side: and they had the face of an ox on the left side: they also had the face of an eagle.
In amongst the living creatures glowed something like coals of fire or lamps, which moved up and down between the creatures: and the fire was bright, and from out of the fire flashed lightning.
And the living creatures ran and returned by flashes of lightning.
Now as I looked upon the living creatures, I saw four wheels upon the ground, one by each of the living creatures, with their four faces.
The appearance of the wheels and their composition was like the color of shiny amber: and all four wheels had one likeness: and their appearance and their composition was like a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
And when the living creatures went, the wheels went with them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
And the appearance of the sky upon the heads of the living creature was reflected as the color of the terrible crystal stretched over their heads above.
And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, like the din of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.
And there was a voice from the crystal covering that was over their heads when they stood and had let down their wings. EZEKIEL 1:1-25
The voice told Ezekiel that it was the “LordGod.” (Ezekiel 2:4).
The first portion of Ezekiel’s vision resembles earlier Biblical descriptions of Jehovah: a moving fiery object in the sky emitting smoke. As the object moved closer, Ezekiel was able to observe that the thing was made of metal. Out of the metal object emerged several humanlike creatures, apparently wearing metal boots and ornamented helmets. Their “wings” appeared to be retractable engines which emitted a rumbling sound and helped the creatures to fly. Their heads were covered by glass or something transparent that reflected the sky above. They appeared to be in some sort of circular vehicle or a vehicle with wheels.
We can safely conclude from the above passage that “Jehovah” was not a Supreme Being. He appears to have been a succession of Custodial management teams operating over a time span of many human generations. To enforce human obedience, those teams used their aircraft to perpetrate the lie that they were “God.”
The WT tries to say that we are living in judgment day now and that our destiny is determined by how we respond to the message of the WT. Then they preach that all you have to do is die and then you get automatically resurrected to live in Paradise for a sort of sin - round two. The one makes the other meaningless.
Without a real Judgement Day, nothing makes sense.
SCRIPTURE KJV
Daniel 7:10 judgment
Matthew 5:21 in danger of the judgment
Mark 6:11 the day of judgment
Luke 17:36 Two shall be in the field, the one shall be taken and the other left.
II Corinthians 5:11 the terror of the Lord
Revelation 6:17 day of his wrath
Revelation 12:12 Woe to the inhabiters of the earth
Revelation 15:3 King of saints
John 3: 36 he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him
Ephesians 5: 6 because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience
1 Th, 1: 10 even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come
Matthew 12:36 every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son
Revelation 15:4 thy judgments are made manifest
Jude 1: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness
unto the judgment of the great day.
Romans 14:10 for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ
Hebrews 9:27 it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
1 John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment:
Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have…
committed
Rev. 14:7 Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come
Romans 3:19 that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished
Romans 2:3 O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Revelation 22:19 God shall take away his part out of the book of life.
"and out of the midst of it gleamed something like a pale yellow metal"
Don't you just love New Age Bible Versions?
Here's an oldie but goodie perversion of God's words - “And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden”?
No..It is just the J W spin on him that makes him out to be so.
They say that you create for yourself the god that you admire.
Truth be told!
It is true that Jehovah sends angels to each and every one who faithfully serves him in truth and fear so as to protect them from evil. But as for whatching everyone in this planet, not in this life time. You wish he would watch you even when you sin, but he woun't.
Anyone who sins, and knows they are sinning, his angels don't stick around. This includes yanking your hose and rape and murder. Your consience informs to your heart when your thinking of sinning, unless your consience is asleep or dead, so that the heart try to inform you that this what you are about to do is in fact a sin. This is what God reads, the heart, and judges you.
All sins are repulsive to God, and he will avoid anyone who comits sin. For example, I can't eat any spicy foods or I will get a heart burn. If I go to a retaurant I don't order anything that's spicy, so I only look for non-spicy foods and avoid all spicy foods. Jehovah is holy and perfect and can't let his angels, who carry with them some holy spirit for the faithful, stick around in any kind of sinnful circumstanses.
You are a very sinnful human with a simple elementary mind who see things that are not really there. You wish he would see you ALL the time, but God doesn't waste time in people like you. And you haven't even sinned as bad as Saddam. Why would you think he would resurect Saddam Hussein?
-Aleman
It is true that Jehovah sends angels to each and every one who faithfully serves him in truth and fear so as to protect them from evil. But as for whatching everyone in this planet, not in this life time. You wish he would watch you even when you sin, but he woun't.
Aleman, if your assertion above is true, then please explain Proverbs 15:3 --
The eyes of the LORD [are] in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
OHHHHHHHH Righteous aleman, why aren't you out in field circus? Perhaps you decided to stay home and count itme on us today? You really do need to read Crisis of Conscience, then perhaps you will find that your angelically directed organization isn't really directed at all.
NMG
"When under trial, let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.But each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire.Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin; in turn, sin, when it has been accomplished, brings forth death."
I know you don't understand but perhaps this will explain; Angels go to man and observe, then they go to God and speak what they see so God will know.
Aleman, I don't know how old you are, or how long you've been a jw. Perhaps, you are new and full of zeal, well bully for you. I believe for the most part, that most of us here at jwd have been around the org much longer than yourself. Personally, I have been associated with the jw since I was 4 years old and am now 57.
You don't need to preach to us, you aren't going to re-convert us. Nor will you save our immortal souls. It's not your place to judge or comdemn us either. Bringing up chapter and verse with us??? We will dance circles around you and give you YEARS of life expierences with that org that you are so lovingly attached to.
Do you suppose that perhaps by your own presence here at JWD that you yourself have come under the watchful eye of the angels and they are at this very moment informing god of your OWN apostacy? Or , aren't they watching you? Let's do this...Give me your real name, the name of the Cong. you attend and the phone # of the PO. Then I'll call and have a little chat with him about your affilation with those of us here at JWD, sound fair to you??
