Ever encounter gypsies? (page 2)

VanillaMocha73

Well, I use the term loosely because it was a royal insult for the Romanian ex-husband.

VanillaMocha73

Well, I use the term loosely because it was a royal insult for the Romanian ex-husband.

VanillaMocha73

Well, I use the term loosely as it was the worst kind of insult for my Romanian ex-husband.

inkling

My comments have nothing to do with bigotry. Your comment has everything to do with ignorance.

True, I am indeed, and obviously, ignorant of this particular group of people in your community.
What I am saying is that the term "Gypsy" and a string of negative experiences does nothing
to inform me in any meaningful way. All you are doing is taking a vague and often derogatory
term and applying it to a group of people that you or others deem worthy of the badge.

I am fully willing to concede that maybe the community of which you speak is nasty and thieving
to the core, but how is that in ANY way linked to other various culture spurs often lumped together
under one blanket and loaded name?

[inkling]

frankiespeakin

I became friends with some Romanians, they are a very nice people, one women who was like family was from a Romainian gypsy backround, she had light blond hair, I thought she was pleasant, I was among the family of my then gf 's married son's wife who we visited regularly even though 1000 miles apart. My gf who herself claimed her mother to be from an irish traveling gypsy family(the Christies?),(you alway had to keep an eye her if you had something she wanted,(and I say this good naturedly because I still have admiration of her, and she still visits me,, but every sunday we would walk the dogs in the early morning and she would always steal someone sunday's paper with out fail, I used to get so embarased, but kinda smiled too. and she was a tough one on the cops, being in her line of work I can say she defended her self in court with stealth, the cops seemed to back away, even though they knew what she was,,she taught me a little on how to use the systemt, and we were living together, and she was bringing in the girls, to make easy money, most massage with a hand release, and every so often alittle full service, depending on the girls mainly, and. But i digress)

Anyway, the Romainian gypsy women, had me thinking evil thoughts, and I listened politely to her as my mind kept wandering off on the idea, what would it be like if we, could skip the small talk and get to know each other better alone and away from all these people,, my gf said she's a real scam artist, but I was too busy with other thoughts to detect any such tendancies. Anyway I say there are reasons why, people are that way, but I'm sure that if they come to view you as family, or as a good friend or lover they change accordingly to you, with little slight trivial things they may try to weasle out of you, according to nature.

nvrgnbk

http://www.romani.org/

frankiespeakin

Ink,

I hope I'm not stereo typing, when I gave my comments, I did not mean them in a deragatory way, I suggest these triats come from hardships, endured, and a will to survive, and I challange the arbitrary concepts, of good and bad,, because good and bad are relative to point of view.

KenseiShimonzu

I've never met anyone who claimed they were Gypsies,but most of the Gypsy women i've seen on TV and other..ahem.."movies" were gorgeous

I don't particularly care for ANY thieves though,i don't care what their origins are...the best way to get me to do violence is to steal something of mine..i work pretty hard for everything i have,therefore,when someone steals my posessions..they are in a way..stealing a piece of my life,or the time i had to do at a job somewhere to get the money to pay for what they stole...not good..very not good.

One thing i will say about this is..the word "Gyp" which means to cheat or swindle someone..is derived from the Gypsies name..I don't know what this means...-KS

inkling

Ok, I need to clarify here....

It would seem that Gypsies, often of or linked to the culture of nomadic Romainian
immigrants, have a long and troubled history. I have never encountered anyone fitting
this description myself, and no Gregor, I am not one myself.

I know very little about the culture as it stands in eastern Europe or here, and what I do
know of it confirms that there is a high rate of scam-based crime, cons, and thieving
that thrives in the culture. They do not feel they are answerable to the law of the
land, or to the morals of their "host" cultures.

They are described as iconic outsiders. For whatever complex historical reasons, a vicious
feedback loop of automatic distrust and deeds DISSERVING of distrust have caused a
severe rift between them and the rest of the world.

Undoubtedly there are many legitimate criticisms of their lifestyle and morals, especially
when held next to our preferred set. When a culture encourages or cultivates pragmatic
"using" of out-group targets for personal gain, that is clearly going to be a problem.

I would add that crime/mob cultures of MANY ethnicities share much in common with this, but when
the criminals share our skin color, and have a cable TV show, we are far more likely to see them
as complicated and even likable characters that have much to add to our understanding of life, even though we are strongly offended by their actual moral decisions.

All I am saying is that beneath the actually disserved distrust or distaste is a deeply
human tragedy. The seeds of negative "gypsy" sins are inside each of us, and we all
could learn much from sincerely trying to UNDERSTAND broken and hurtful patterns we
find in outcast cultures rather then curse them and hope they go away.

[inkling]

inkling

I hope I'm not stereo typing, when I gave my comments, I did not mean them in a deragatory way, I suggest these triats come from hardships, endured, and a will to survive, and I challange the arbitrary concepts, of good and bad,, because good and bad are relative to point of view.

Exactly. By all means, go ahead and honestly share unpleasant truth you encounter. We should not shield evil or hurtful behavior from honest criticism or judgement with a wall of religion or culture based "political correctness".

We need to call a spade a spade, and agree that (for example) slavery is wrong in ANY context. I think it is also
fair to be judgmental of giving away a 13 yr old to be married. All I am saying is that by dismissing the entire culture as sick and twisted, we missing a vital subtlety that
can illuminate our own cultures faults, and maybe even help them salvage good from theirs. [ink]

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