Do you have to speak out to be DF for apostacy?

by MissingLink 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • DocBob
    DocBob
    Wait - you said this was sent to the CO's? Not the normal elders? Would they be aware of the position on this?

    The CO's generally share the substance of letters like this with elders as needed.

    When I was approached by the elders after I had stepped down and was in the midst of my fade, they asked me what was wrong. I told them "I don't want to get into it" and would not budge from that. It worked - they left me alone. Well, until I sent out my letter ;-)

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    If they ask you if you believe and you say NO - you will get disfellowshipped.

    If they call a committee case (on heresay of others) and you don't attend - you will get disfellowshipped

    That's how it works here in my country.

    Reason: If they don't DF you, you can still speak and associate with others - they want to shut you up my friend. They don't want you putting doubts in the mind of others.

  • DocBob
    DocBob

    JK666

    You wouldn't by any chance have a copy of that letter, would you? I would love to see it on WTS letterhead!

    The entire letter is on pp. 292-3 of Crisis of Conscience

  • MissingLink
    MissingLink

    Brilliant. Thanks Bob. I haven't gotten that far yet. I suppose I should get to reading.

  • Aphrodite
    Aphrodite

    My OH got disfellowshipped because he told his mum he didn't believe any more and had a bit of an argument with her about evolution. "Somehow" this got back to the elders, the elders rang and asked him if he believed in god or evolution, he said he didn't know for sure one way or the other. They then asked him if he would meet with them he said no way, you can stuff that up your shirt. They df'd him shortly after. Mind you this happened roughly 6 years after our last meeting.

  • MissingLink
    MissingLink

    Someone on another forum showe me this from the "Flock" book.

    Apostasy.

    Apostasy is a standing away from, a falling away, defec-
    tion, rebellion, abandonment; it involves teaching false
    doctrines, supporting or promoting false religion and its
    holidays or interfaith activities. (Deut. 13:13, 15; Josh.
    22:22, ftn.; Acts 21:21, ftn.; 2 Cor. 6:14, 15, 17, 18;
    2. John 7, 9, 10; Rev. 18:4)

    Those with sincere doubts should be helped, dealt with
    mercifully. (Jude 22, 23; w82 9/1 pp. 20-1;w80 8/1
    pp. 21-2)

    Apostasy includes action taken against true worship of
    Jehovah or his established order among his dedicated
    people. (Jer. 17:13; 23:15; 28:15, 16; 2 Thess. 2:9, 10)

    Persons who deliberately spread (stubbornly hold to and
    speak about) teachings contrary to Bible truth as taught
    by Jehovah's Witnesses are apostates.

    If it is learned that a person has taken up association with
    another religious organization, the matter should be inves-
    tigated, and if verified, a committee should be formed.

    If it is clearly established that the person has joined
    another religion and intends to remain with it, the
    elders would make a brief announcement to the congre-
    gation that such- one has disassociated himself. (w86
    10/15 p. 31 )

    Working secularly for a false religious organization could
    put one in a position similar to that of one preaching false
    doctrine. (2 Cor. 6:14-16)

    Celebrating a false religious holiday would be similar to
    performing any other act of false worship. (Jer. 7:16-19)

    The Bible condemns the following:

    Causing divisions and promoting sects.

    This would be deliberate action disrupting the unity
    of the congregation or undermining the confidence
    of the brothers in Jehovah's arrangement.

    Which she interpreted to mean that action WAS necessary. Someone else posted that this indicates action IS NOT necessary. I guess it really isn't very clear, and you couldn't blame a BOE for interpreting it the way they want.

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