What is the motives of the GB?

by sweet pea 36 Replies latest jw experiences

  • Bourne
    Bourne

    I agree. I believe that, like Ray Franz noted: They are sincere,but "victims of victims". I think that they believe that they ARE, in fact, being guided by God. But, really, you could take

    about 10 "genuine and knowledgeable" elders from anywhere and the result would be the same. After all, they themselves stated as much in last year's KM. If any of them DO have

    any doubts, they won't be the one to voice them, lest they suffer the same fate as Ray.

    An organization's sole purpose is to ensure it's own survival.

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    The Watchtower Society is and should be perceived as a Kingdom a worldwide Kingdom at that , the power and control of over 7 million people is profound

    particularly so when its placed in the hands of just a few men.

    The prestigest position of being a GB member is quite well known and probably eyed with envy by allot of the common brothers

    and sorry gals this is a chauvinist establishment like most other religions so no chance for any woman to hold a seat.

    Thinking not just about the power and prestige they are diffidently looked after better with better living conditions , new cars to be used at their disposal.

    The privilege to fly around the globe to give special talks and to be treated as a king ( allot of applied brown nosing by the rest of the flock )

    And folks the GB members do not work their days in the noisy and dirty printing plants or other lower work duties at headquarters thats for sure.

    So there is allot to gain for a individual if they were to be awarded a membership into this upper class group of people.

    Since too that most bethelites are given the most barest living conditions and given just a handful of dollars a month you could

    certainly see why there would be many vying for that position.

    All in all this corporation is very much like any other man made corporation in the world today . The greater the power within the greater the privileges are then offered .

    But isn't that a common character trait in most men .....yep it sure is !

  • yknot
    yknot

    If it is true that Ted is the ringleader, then I am not sure if we have seen the real motives of the younger appointees. Right now I think the motive is to keep afloat. Ray Franz's experience is not envied by the members but I would assume serves more as a warning for those who might have the notion to get biblically accurate.

    Who knows, I bet the legal department wrote into the bylaws of 2000 the removal of the GB if they feel necessary.

  • freydi
    freydi

    Not one bit different than the pharisees.

  • AuroraB
    AuroraB

    Well, first off, they might not have a lot of cash in their hands, but bethelites get a huge income when you think about it. Free room and board, free meals, free healthcare, free shoes and clothes, free electricity, free utilities, free water, free cleaning services, a modest stipend, and a fulfilling career with little to no tax burden. How many people can say they have no worries at all about where their next meal is coming from, how the next bill is going to be paid or who will care for them when they are sick? How many children go hungry and without health care or insurance in America? I have lived near the bethelites almost all my life. An elder who lives with his wife in bethel once told me that he's never going to leave bethel and give up the free room and board. Nevermind that his wife is unhappy there and wants a family, he's never leaving. Oh, and bethelites are the rock stars of our community. Even if they don't have the cash to buy something, you can bet that someone will donate it to them. They also get a lot of support from their families. It's surprising to me to see how many of them drive cars that are in no way modest, and in many cases way more expensive than what I could afford, and I'm not exactly making minimum wage. At the very least, you can add up what you pay yourself for the basic expenses in life, and give your friend a true salary for the bethelites, with a reminder that it's tax-free. Your friend doesn't have to hate the bethelites or think ill of them, but she/he does have to realize that they are just as human as the rest of us and they are not doing what they do because they have a purely altruistic soul.

    That being said, in my opinion, I don't think a huge majority of the bethelites are consciously trying to deceive people; I think they are just trying to survive like the rest of us. Some really are sincere and loving. Some have an idea of what might really be going on, but believe that they are doing more good than bad and continue on their path with their head down and their questions at bay. The rest know what the deal is completely, and I think they choose to either let fear keep them from making any changes (and really, who can blame them because look at what they might lose if they leave--no job, few life and marketable skills, no friends or family, little money and no place to live), or they see an opportunity for intangible rewards that are very attractive to them. In the past, I never gave much thought to those intangibles, but have begun to realize that they are really, really powerful motivators for humans. Power, feelings of superiority, belonging to an exclusive group, belonging to a group of people who have been approved by God as "good, truthful and loving", giving up huge parts of your life in martyrdom (JWs are praised for giving up marriage, children, career, education, and we miss out on love, friendship, and possible wealth which makes life easier), having a definitive purpose in life, having all the answers to life, and being part of a work that involves judging and "'marking" people for possible salvation while knowing that you are already saved...any one of these things is enough to keep someone on their path, even though it may be destructive to others. These motivations apply to JWs as a whole, but even more so to the bethelites and the GB because they are the ones who have dedicated their entire lives to the organization rather than just part of their lives.

    Peace

  • loosie
    loosie

    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    how would like to live rent free. have your medical bills paid for. all your meals paid for. and a car you don't have to pay for.

    All they have to pay for themselves is their porn collection.

  • JK666
    JK666

    I would surmize that the main problems are groupthink and God delusions. Here are the symptoms from Wiki:

    Symptoms of groupthink

    In order to make groupthink testable, Irving Janis devised eight symptoms that are indicative of groupthink (1977).

    1. Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking.
    2. Rationalising warnings that might challenge the group's assumptions.
    3. Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions.
    4. Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, disfigured, impotent, or stupid.
    5. Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of "disloyalty".
    6. Self censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus.
    7. Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as agreement.
    8. Mindguards — self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information.

    Couple that with the thought that God is directing you by Holy Spirit, and you have a toxic cocktail!

    JK

  • still_in74
    still_in74

    it is obvious they know the history of the org and the skeletons in the closet, but I despite this I think they really do belive that "the end justifies the means."

    They do recognize they are imperfect, but they just reinforce to themselves over and over that despite these things they are the only org. even trying to find truth. Even though they know teachings will change they MUST be the true org. (in their minds)

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    I like JK post ,.. when a person has an opportunity to sit on a perceived throne you can best assume that the

    individual will hold on to that responsibility not just for himself but for others as well and I'm sure they are aware of

    the importance of that given position in the organization ....... needed doctrinal changes in all

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Thanks for the information AuroraB and for a different perspective on the Bethelites in Brooklyn

    Many as you can guess have never made it over to Bethel so a little more insight is appreciated .... thanks

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