OTWO, I agree with what you've written, and laugh out loud when I hear people try and describe why Jesus didn't know what he was talking about... stars falling from the sky, all the world seeing him in a cloud. 2,000 years have passed and still no Jesus, even though he plainly says that these events will happen "Immediately" after the destress of those days... the Romans destroyed the temple in 70, if I'm not mistaken. Still no Jesus.
I'm not sure I follow. I certainly think he knew what he was saying.
As for the cloud and stars reference in your comment quoted above, it could well be figurative language, as it occurs regularly in the Bible with reference to a divine judgement. Jesus was using language and references that the Apostles would likely have been familiar with. Here are some refs:
Isaiah 19:1 says "An oracle concerning Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt within them." Egypt was judged and the sentence was carried about by Assyria, as Isaiah 20 bears out. There is also Nahum 1:3, which was about the destruction of the Assyrian capital of Nineveh: "The LORD is slow to anger and great in power; the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet."We know that Nineveh was sacked by the Babylonian amy under Nabopolassar.
The "stars falling from the sky" reference in Matthew 24 hearkens back to Isaiah 13. Specifically 13:10 which says: "The stars of heaven and their constellations will not show their light. The rising sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light." That chapter is about the destruction of Babylon. Also Isaiah 34:4: "All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree." Chapter 34 is about a generalized judgement of all the nations. Please also notice that Jesus uses a fig illustration also at Matthew 24:32.
Words never have meaning whenever the Bible is being proved wrong by them, like the word "generation", it can't really mean generation it has to mean something else, like tribe, or group, or something, it can't mean what it means today becasue if it did the Jesus will be proven wrong.
No, it does not mean what it means today because it is a different language, from a different time. It is not simple. We are working with translations and the greek geneas does not map perfectly to the english "generation", looks like geneas had a broader meaning.
When OTWO, posted what he was discovering about the new Gosples and the like, he was doing as we all that seekt he real truth should do, reading with an open mind. Jesus was proven false when he died, he answered the so called question raised in the garden-yet still we suffer.... and his words as written in the BIble are proven false...
Not according to those that recorded the accounts of his resurrection and ascension.
keep making excuses, they don't work as far as I'm concerned.
Then why even have this discussion Dawg? Why start the thread? "Jesus was a false prophet, case closed".
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