Birthdays are now a matter of conscience????

by sacrebleu 61 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • DEFENDERJW
    DEFENDERJW

    where did you hear that? Tell me please. I beleive marraige ceremony has pagan origins but witnesses dont say not to marry with those pagan symbols , such as cake , ring, white dress etc...

    you are allowed to celibrate wedding annerversary but not your birth. Did not the angels cry out with joy at jesus birth. But the witnesses are only hold to the 2 celibrations of herod and pharoh of egypt. While birthdays do have pagan roots but hey we dont celibrate with that in mind only to share the joy of that persons birth. Why does everything have to be so dont do this and dont do that.

  • Mariusuk.
    Mariusuk.

    You could just leave and celebrate anyway, trust me God will not smite thee with plagues and things

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    This question has come up before so here's the definitive answer from Awake!, the purpose of which is to clear up any ambiguity on the matter:

    Awake-2004-7-8-p.-30:

    Piñatas I read with interest the article "The Piñata—An Ancient Tradition." (September 22, 2003) It left me with some questions. The ties to false religion are well-documented. But the article seemed to take the position that as long as it doesn’t bother someone’s conscience, it is OK. What about birthdays and holidays such as Christmas?

    S. W., United States

    "Awake!" responds: Christians refrain from any celebrations or customs that continue to involve false religious beliefs or activities that violate Bible principles. For example, the Bible definitely puts birthday celebrations in a bad light. (Genesis 40:20; Matthew 14:6-10) However, if it is very obvious that a custom has no current false religious significance and involves no violation of Bible principles, each Christian must make a personal decision as to whether he will follow such a custom.

    Right. So that clears it up perfectly. The "Bible definitely puts birthday celebrations in a bad light" and "each Christian must make a personal decision". So, to answer the question, err.... em, well I can't. It's impossible to tell from the above paragraph (which was written for the sole purpose of clarifying the matter) what the answer is. That sort of doublespeak can't happen accidentally. It takes a deliberate effort of will to craft an answer to a question that doesn't really answer the question. Watchtower publications seem to do this more and more lately.

  • shopaholic
    shopaholic

    If it becomes a matter of conscience for the JW's, I believe most of them will really go over the top celebrating birthdays. I also think more folks would be attracted to the religion and a lot of folks that left would probably go back. If its true, they will probably say you cannot use candles.

  • DJK
    DJK
    If its true, they will probably say you cannot use candles.

    Maybe they'll say you have to use grapejuice and crackers instead of cake.

  • Locutus of Borg
    Locutus of Borg

    Outlaw . .

    that

    was

    just

    . . . . . . . . wrong

    LOLROFLMFAO!

    Seriously . . . anyone who has been part of or even near the collective for even a few months KNOWS that "conscience" is Borgspeak for "collective (or group) conscience"

  • fjtoth
    fjtoth
    Please note that it was Judge Rutherford who had this thing against Birthdays

    He probably got tired of getting 500+ ties every year instead of the smuggled bottles of booze he got during the Prohibition Era. Bow ties and regular ties just don't make brownie points like a nice big bottle of Jack Daniels.

  • InquiryMan
    InquiryMan

    I revealed to an elder and long time friend that I did not support the societys position on birthdays. He turned me in to the local branch office. He wanted to form a judicial committee because of it. However, Bethel just stated to let it go, obviously since I had stepped down already and was gradually fading....

  • momzcrazy
    momzcrazy

    My daughter asked my mom to come to her party in May, she wants a family BBQ and it will be her 1st bday party ever. My mom hesitated and said "Ooh, I don't know". So I am thinking it is still a no no. She just didn't want to come out and say no to a 9 yr old.

    momz

  • blondie
    blondie

    Strangely enough, the WTS does not list celebrating birthdays as grounds for df'ing in their publications. I don't even think the elder's manual lists it. If someone has a reference, it would be interesting to see. Would this be a case of making human tradition invalidating the scriptures?

    Blondie

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