Dispelling JW Myths: Faithful and Discreet Slave

by AuldSoul 18 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Matthew 24:45-51 — “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.

    “But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards, the master of that slave will come on a day that he does not expect and in an hour that he does not know, and will punish him with the greatest severity and will assign him his part with the hypocrites. There is where [his] weeping and the gnashing of [his] teeth will be.”

    Jehovah's Witnesses teach that loyal ones among the International Bible Students were chosen in 1919 as the Faithful and Discreet Slave after Jesus made a diligent search from 1914 to 1918 of all religions claiming to be Christian. These “adopted sons of God” are said be the brothers of Christ.

    This is an important doctrine to Jehovah's Witnesses because only this choosing grants any air of divinity to the spiritual authority asserted by the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, a very small group deceptively claiming to represent the interests of a class of people identified as the Faithful and Discreet Slave. We will examine this claim herein, along with examining the perverse purpose served by identifying an indistinguishable, nebulous "class" of people as the FDS.

    Jehovah's Witnesses teach that the FDS is comprised of all the anointed remaining on the earth from the special choosing in 1919 onward.

    (1) First and foremost, the text itself bears examination. Does Jesus stipulate that anyone at all will eventually be identified as a faithful and discreet slave? No. He asks a question. He does not state that such a slave will be found when the master returns, he only says, "Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so." The word "if" makes this a conditional phrase, not suitable for a prophecy at all.

    (2) The time of examination is "on arriving". In the Greek, the word erchomai does not mean the same thing as the word parousia. There is a parallel account found at Luke 18:8 that says, "I tell you, He will cause justice to be done to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth?" Here again, Jesus isn't saying he will find the faith on the earth, he is asking whether he will.

    (3) Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jehovah was using C.T. Russell in a unique way at least as early as 1879. Why would Jehovah require Jesus to conduct an exhaustive search of religions claiming to be Christian if he already knew whom Jesus should use? Why would Jesus not have known about C.T. Russell, his remarkable insights, and his identification as the faithful and discreet slave? It makes no sense to believe Jesus was oblivious of a special relationship C.T. Russell enjoyed with Jehovah.

    (4) Jehovah's Witnesses teach that there has always been a remnant of anointed ones ever since Pentecost 33 CE. While they cannot identify this group throughout history, they assume that such a group must have existed at all times. They further identify this remnant as the brothers of and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. These each received an anointing and each was born again by spirit adoption as sons of God. To accept that Jesus needed to do a search through all religions claiming to be Christian in order to locate this remnant is to accept that even Jesus didn't know who his own brothers and joint heirs were.

    (5) In order to identify the FDS accurately, we must know who they are. In fact, Jehovah's Witnesses teach that identifying these "brothers of Christ" is absolutely essential to salvation, since one must "do good" to them in order to be saved. Jehovah's Witnesses say the FDS is a group of people comprised of all the remaining anointed ones. Well, who are anointed? They are not necessarily all partakers, because not all partakers are necessarily partaking worthily. Ironically, while JWs teach that identifying the anointed brothers of Christ is vital for salvation, they simultaneously hold a doctrine that such identification is impossible on an individual basis. So, the Faithful and Discreet Slave can only be identified as a group made up entirely of unidentifiable individuals. In other words, they can only be identified as an intangible concept—one that may or may not have basis in reality.

    (6) The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, not the FDS, has all authority among Jehovah's Witnesses. This group claims to represent the interests of the aforementioned intangible concept, but even they have no way of knowing who are the individual constituents of the FDS. So, in exactly what way does the identified intangible concept "FDS" exercise authority over anything, much less all of Christ's belongings? They don't. In fact, the FDS "as a class" have no authority, whatsoever, over anything.

    Why does the sixth point serve the perverse interests of the Governing Body? They have the perfect scapegoat. They are not held organizationally accountable to anyone but God and each other, yet they can pretend to only be serving the interests and aims of the FDS, the members of which even they cannot by any means identify. In this way, they have a huge cushion of nebulous, intangible air called "the Faithful and Discreet Slave class" as a buffer between their arbitrary, often unscriptural decisions and the rank and file Jehovah's Witnesses. These lowly Jehovah's Witnesses, from elders on down, are the ones spiritually, physically, and/or emotionally damaged by the Governing Body's doctrines.

    (See also Dispelling JW Myths: Governing Body)

  • oompa
    oompa
    AuldSoul:

    (3) Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jehovah was using C.T. Russell in a unique way at least as early as 1879. Why would Jehovah require Jesus to conduct an exhaustive search of religions claiming to be Christian if he already knew whom Jesus should use? Why would Jesus not have known about C.T. Russell, his remarkable insights, and his identification as the faithful and discreet slave? It makes no sense to believe Jesus was oblivious of a special relationship C.T. Russell enjoyed with Jehovah.

    (4) Jehovah's Witnesses teach that there has always been a remnant of anointed ones ever since Pentecost 33 CE. While they cannot identify this group throughout history, they assume that such a group must have existed at all times. They further identify this remnant as the brothers of and joint heirs with Jesus Christ. These each received an anointing and each was born again by spirit adoption as sons of God. To accept that Jesus needed to do a search through all religions claiming to be Christian in order to locate this remnant is to accept that even Jesus didn't know who his own brothers and joint heirs were.

    Soul this has pissed me off off for years. Jesus did clearly say he would send a "helper" then I believe he identified it as the Holy Spirit. I guess if even more help was needed he would have clearly told us. I am pretty sure that WT actually teaches the FDS started in 33CE when HS was poured out in the upper room. I guess this would mean that Russel and crew were the FDS and Jesus should have known that, and would have told us...but oh, thats right he came and inspected and all like Casper.

    So would you say this Insight Book comment goes beyond what was REALLY written in the Bible as you pointed out????......oompa

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    it-1p.845Food ***

    Spiritual

    Food. Jesus delighted to do the will of his Father and spoke of it as food to him. (Joh 4:32, 34) He foretold that he would appoint "the faithful and discreet slave" to give (spiritual) food at the proper time to his disciples. (Mt 24:44-47; see FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE.)
  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    Oompa,

    At Matthew 24:45-47 Jesus didn't foretell anything beyond how he would react if certain conditions were present at his arrival. If he arrived when JWs say he did he definitely did not find those conditions present among the International Bible Students.

    In fact, at the time JWs say Jesus arrived, the IBS were actively engaged in a work that can best be characterized as boldly and indiscreetly proclaiming a message Jesus told his disciples to reject. The message they were proclaiming turned out to be false, a complete fabrication.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Remember that the NWT was written long after their doctrine of the invisible arrival and
    the inspection to choose a FDS. In the NWT, it all seems to fit nicely. So these would
    be tough points to sell to a JW.

    CAPTIVES OF A CONCEPT does a good job. Recommended reading.

    Good points, AuldSoul. I wish you would post more often. Things have changed here.

  • Zico
    Zico

    "In fact, at the time JWs say Jesus arrived, the IBS were actively engaged in a work that can best be characterized as boldly and indiscreetly proclaiming a message Jesus told his disciples to reject."

    And they still are! And everyone who doesn't join in following a message Jesus said not to follow, and joins them in teaching a message Jesus said not to follow will be destroyed at Armageddon. It's almost like Jehovah wants to slaughter everyone!

    The 1919 date has bothered me for a while. If Jehovah/Jesus have been individually appointing FDS members since 33CE by anointing them, who did Jesus appoint in 1919? The Organisation? Doesn't that mean there's 2 slaves?

    Good write up AuldSoul.

  • oompa
    oompa

    While looking for the 33ce info of the FDS starting then, I found these interestng points below. The quotes below go well beyond what Jesus actually said here in his parable at Mathew 24.

    ( Matthew 24:45-47) 45 "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings.

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    it-1p.805FaithfulandDiscreetSlave***

    Jesus Christ included a parable, or illustration, dealing with a "faithful and discreet slave" and an "evil slave." (NOT a phophecy)

    *** it-1 p. 273 Beating

    Jesus foretold that at the time of his presence he would appoint "the faithful and discreet slave . . . over all his belongings." (If Jesus "fortold" this then it would be a prophecy. He did not say he would do this...because it seems to hinge on "IF his master" finds him doing so, but if the Faithful Slave has been dispensing food at the proper time since 33ce, then the appointment by the master would be totally unnecessary, since they had been doing their job for centuries and were already appointed in 33ce)

    *** it-1p.845Food ***

    Spiritual

    Food. Jesus delighted to do the will of his Father and spoke of it as food to him. (Joh 4:32, 34) He foretold that he would appoint "the faithful and discreet slave" to give (spiritual) food at the proper time to his disciples. (Mt 24:44-47; see FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE.) (Again, this is a parable, not a prophecy as is indicated above under FDS p. 805. So why would we say he "fortold" this?)

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    it-1p.499Congregation***

    Hence, adequate provision has been made for the Christian congregation to have needed spiritual food, Christ himself mentioning the "slave" through whom such food is dispensed to Christian "domestics." Jesus, as part of his prophecy concerning his own presence and "the conclusion of the system of things," showed that, on arriving, the "master" would appoint this "faithful and discreet slave" "over all his belongings."—Mt 24:3, 45-47. (Now here the insight book calls it a PROPHECY, AND it says the "master WOULD appoint", but I think it says this would happen IF he found the slave doing certain things)

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    it-2p.1035Steward***

    The responsibilities and administrative duties of a steward suitably describe the ministry entrusted by Jehovah God to the Christian. Jesus describes his body of faithful anointed ones on earth as "the faithful and discreet slave," but as a slave they also serve as a steward for him, having had committed to them in these last days "all his belongings"—including the preaching of "this good news of the kingdom" throughout the earth, teaching those who wish to hear, and serving as God’s instrument to gather into association with the congregation the international "great crowd" that would survive the great tribulation.

    ( Nowhere in this parable does "Jesus describe his body of faithful anointed ones on earth as "the faithful and discreet slave" does it? Nor is there any indication in this parable that this slave would be "Gods Instrument" for anything. How can we make these huge claims based on a one sentence question in parable, that goes TOTALLY unanswered by Jesus?)..oompa

  • real one
    real one

    if you are a christian arent you considered the faithful and discreet slave if you are doing Gods will when he returns?

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos
    (1) First and foremost, the text itself bears examination. Does Jesus stipulate that anyone at all will eventually be identified as a faithful and discreet slave? No. He asks a question. He does not state that such a slave will be found when the master returns, he only says, "Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so." The word "if" makes this a conditional phrase, not suitable for a prophecy at all.

    Technically there is no "if" in v. 46 but a relative, hon, "that slave whom his master/lord finds"...

    But there is an "if" (ean) in v. 48, "ifthat evil slave..." -- implying that the parable actually has two alternative scenarii: the slave can be either "faithful and discreet" or "evil".

    (2) The time of examination is "on arriving". In the Greek, the word erchomai does not mean the same thing as the word parousia. There is a parallel account found at Luke 18:8 that says, "I tell you, He will cause justice to be done to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth?" Here again, Jesus isn't saying he will find the faith on the earth, he is asking whether he will.

    "Coming/arriving" does mean practically the same thing as parousia = arrival in the Gospel context, -- except in JW theology where parousia is misconstrued as "invisible presence" over a period of time!

  • jefferywhat
    jefferywhat

    Bookmarked

  • oompa
    oompa
    Narkissos:

    But there is an "if" (ean) in v. 48, "ifthat evil slave..." -- implying that the parable actually has two alternative scenarii: the slave can be either "faithful and discreet" or "evil".

    I agree totally Nark, it is not that there are two slaves, but that the faithful slave could by faltering, actually be the evil slave. The other account of this parable makes the point even more clearly I believe...............................oompa

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