I believe the guys at the top really believe in what they do. I doubt they have some big evil conspiracy only to make money. If so they would be living in mansions driving BMW's and Mercedes all over Manhattan. I do believe though that they need to maintain what they have accomplished.
What is the HIDDEN purpose of the Watchtower corporation?
by Terry 43 Replies latest watchtower bible
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darth frosty
Sacolton-To answer your question here are two post from people who were at bethel and Know the inside manuvering. The first is from JT.
ou are correct, the big boys don't benifit from the $951 Millions dollars they take in each year in the manner that most would assume, Homes, Yachts, summer homes, rolex watches, etc- when you compare most big time preachers they LIVE LARGE ---
The guy who lives down by me he has only 24, 000 members and he has 2 Rolls Royces and flies a LEAR JET , diamond crusted watches and cufflinks and his suits LAY ON HIM- the whole nine yards
while the big boys benifit from the goodies of the friends--- they usually don't have DIRECT ACCESS TO THE CASH-
unlike other big time preachers if they QUIT their religion today they have plenty of cash stashed here and there, but the big boys if they got DFed today would be Sh!T up creek instead of having a nice nest egg.
so that creates a tremendous dependency on the org to stay- my old roommate has moved up the corp ladder and he has admitted all the time that the org has alot of bogus rules, yet he tells me
"James---- Why Bite the Hand the Feeds you"-
One of the things that wt carefully did was wrote their by laws in a manner that no one person controls the cash, instead everything is by committee- and now with 5 new corps and everyone is looking to BROWN NOSE and take someones elses place, anyone who would suggest trying to pull something off, would be turned in and the person would feel that they would be recommended for that position for being SO LOYAL TO THE ORG
Some times I don't think many poster have ANY IDEA OF HOW LOYAL TO THE ORG these guy are by the time they reach the level that they are at and i'm not just talking about GB, but major players in the org- take a look at this list below , these men didn't get to this level by showing any signs of not following orders-
so yes they do get lots of goodies, but in proportion to the amount of cash they take in they don't get "Jack"
i recall guys who worked in the offices would be so stingy as if the money was coming out of their pockets
some of you may know this guy a bethel heavy David Sinclair, his office was right next to Ted Jaraz when they were in brooklyn, he drove an older car, even though he could have access to the New Buicks in the garage, he drove this older car, don't even think it had AC, he dress modestly, but this guy served as a Zone Overseer and was one of the most powerful guys around-
another guy who worked down the hall from him was Malencant, he was a single guy about 50 , yet he was a power broker to the max, while some bethel heavies were flashy like JR Brown who drives around in a Q45 on $90.00 a month- go figure-- he and larry gramham are ACE BUDDIES--
FOR THE MOST PART lots of the heavies just LOVE THE POWER AND CONTROL THEY HAVE-
IN my exp the wealthest guy at bethel ( who at least flashed his cash) was Grant Suitor- he let you know he had cash, but in terms of dipping in the money like the house they had out in CAlifornia or the 12 cylinder Caddies-- those days are over with-
in my personal exp IT IS THE POWER, MUCH MORE SO THAN THE MONEY
in fact it starts out for the Male JW just like that, look back in the old days in the 70's how many brothers gave up good damn jobs to be what AN ELDER- think about all the little funky positions that eldrs can get locally that don't pay a dime beyond prestige- CITY OVERSERR
ASSEMBLY OVERSEER- SUBCO- I THink of all the former bethel buddies i had who are currrentlY SUBCO, they are n limbo- they can't get a regular job cause they have to be avaible at a moment to serve a congo, and they could at anytime get that letter telling them to start the work in sept as a reg CO so for years these guys and their wives make all kinds of sacrifices waiting A FOR THAT DAMN CALL FROM THE SERVICE DEPT TELLING THEM THEY HAVE A CO ASSIGNMENT
HOW SAD
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/50129/1.ashx
and your's truly
Now you may be thinking well that property is needed for the Kingdom halls, bethels, and to further the preaching work, but you need to disect how these properties are used. The heavies and GB at bethel go out on their zone and branch visit's. Wanna know when they go? during the cold winter months in NY. Thats when you can find bro. jaraz down in the carribean bethel. Ever wonder why conventions are held in certain parts of the world during the winter months?
Its a very subtle abuse of the societies assets but abuse none the less. What will happen if you showed up on the steps of the bethel in brazil? -
coffee_black
I've never thought that the gb or higher ups are benefiting in a big way in regard to the money. They do have enormous power though. The money is going somewhere, and it's not going to the preaching work. So where is it going? Who is benefiting? This is tax free money...virtually no wages or benefits paid and little to pay for actual product. The percentage of profit has to be staggering.
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heyfea
http://www.freeminds.org/psych/hiddenmessage.htm thank you for condensing some of the article Terry. There is one point that many people do not realize and is that the apostles in their letters to congregations never REALLY emphasized PREACHING work. They encouraged the brothers to have plenty of things to do in the Lord, but didn't that include good deeds instead? Or at least a substantial part of their work in the Lord? Why is it that today the GB NEVER encourages the dubs. to actually do good deeds, TO EVERYONE, not only to those JWs in need. Never a collection, never a food drive, never volunteer work for YMCA, Red Cross, Salvation Army, etc.
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Terry
Ever heard of the FOUNDATION FOR NEW ERA PHILANTHROPY?'
A nice Christian man named Bennett was behind it.
He went to non-profit corporations and told them the following.
A small group of anonymous investors wanted to give back to mankind in a way that did not redound to fame and riches for themselves. These anonymous investors wanted to help out charities and non-profits.
All the non-profit had to do was this. Deposit any sum of money in an interest bearing account with the Foundation for 6 months. Subsequently, the non-profit would receive a check for DOUBLE that amount posted directly from the FOUNDATION for NEW ERA PHILANTHROPY.
Bennett's credentials were impeccable. Even the Rockefeller Foundation did business with him.
Scores of non-profits doubled their money time after time into the millions of dollars.
Bennett was admired, complimented, revered and lauded by Wall Streeters, religious organizations, charities galore.
Until--
An auditor at Wheaton College blew the whistle and the Ponzi scheme fell apart.
Bennett, it turned out had deluded himself into actually believing there were anonymous investors who funded the Foundation.
Moral of the story?
Draw your own. (Read about this on Wikipedia. It is fascinating.)
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Homerovah the Almighty
The truth is that the WTS. has and always will be a corrupt commercial venture that was deliberately orchestrated with the intension of utilizing and manipulating the belief in
the Bible to market its published literature. There is nothing spiritual or righteous about that is there, they indeed use mind control techniques on the people that get
interested in them and eventually get them to promote their sales. To me its just commercialism with a religious flare, thats all.
Was there a ever a devious attempt to cull and make money for the leaders of this organization you bet there was.
Was there a deliberate attempt to hide this attention for the peoples eyes, you can surely bet on that too.
The hidden purpose...............Christainity has stiff competition within its self, but with some aggressive marketing savvy you can pull it off
So called spiritually empowered men can only bring tragedy and injustice toward humanity when they are being followed as such.
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Tyrone van leyen
.An outside body of “apostates” could be created as a target for vilification that served to drain off anger as a target away from the Governing Body itself. This apostate group would feel the brunt of frustrations and not the actual perpetrator's of date-setting fraud.
I havn't read all the responses yet, but i'd have to say your bang on again. Especially when you veiw from a 30's Racket point of veiw, in keeping with the times. Well done.
I thought I might add to point number three by saying, that yes, this body of apostates could definately be set as a scapegoat to unify people in their us against them attitude. But..
The other thing is, the elders themselves who are" puppet judges" probably, are more hated by apostates on a personal level, as opposed to the governing body. This creates a release from tension at a higher level for the Gb as they have neither an ass to kick or a neck to choke. This way the outside anger of apostates is misdirected again. I'm not saying it's not correct to get angry at the elders, but it's a better target than aiming at the elusive GB. They wash their hands of everything.
Shit is indeed flying everywhere, but it seldom seems to hit where it should. The snakes head. They designed it this way for their own ego gratification, personna of mystique, and for the protection of their own legalized corporation.
It's like getting angry at the IRS official for making you pay unfair taxes. While the IRS is taking the blows and may be veiwed as unfair, the legislators are not availble for comment or accountablity, the same as cops. They are just cogs in the system of gears.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to go in and find a big shot, who is really responsible and has power to change things. Drag him across his desk by his effin tie and choke him with it. It might have a profound effect on the implimentation of policy. Just a theory though. Knowing those shitheads, they'd probably change policy by making clip on ties mandatory.
Some people may call the lives of the governing body, the mystical ways of the elite. I assure you they are very planned and purposeful ways. If you know nothing of them, it is because this evassivenes is well thought out, right down to the clever wording of articles and how they will invest in their new real estate interests.
To the GB, if you are not part of their corporate solution in advancing their interests and doing their will, you become a corporate problem.
" No man, no problem!" Those are the words of Joseph Stalin, and these corporate purges have been ongoing since Stalins time. D effin is a legalized death sentence. If you survive it, it can be a great freedom. It is the only loose end the corporation can't deal with. US! The internet, is killing them. What is the next corporate move?
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trudy
Could be that they scheme to MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES, under the guise of worshiping Yah God? They anoint themselves, (Acts 10:38) made themselves Kings of God's Kingdom, they rule without Christ, and anyone who desires to really follow Christ, they cast out of the congregations, for they make disciples after their own selves ( after their own understanding) ( Matt 23:15 )(Luke 21:8)( Ats 20:30) compare Apostle Paul's words below, evidently this sort of thing happened even before the Apostles left the scene:(1 Corinthians 4:8 ) "Already you are filled; already you have been enriched; you have reigned without us; and I would that you reigned, that *we* also might reign with you." They should have waited upon Christ to say, "Come up here", But they have seated themselves in the highest seat. ( Proverbs 25:7 )( Ps 69:29 )( Is 24:21 )( Micah 1:3 ) Isaiah 40:4 Every valley shall be exalted And every mountain and hill brought low; The crooked places shall be made straight And the rough places smooth" see also Ezekiel 17:24
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trudy
Could be that they scheme to MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES, under the guise of
worshiping Yah God? They anoint themselves, (Acts 10:38) made themselves Kings
of God's Kingdom, they rule without Christ, and anyone who desires to really
follow Christ, they cast out of the congregations, for they make disciples
after their own selves ( after their own understanding)
( Matt 23:15 )(Luke 21:8)( Ats 20:30)
compare Apostle Paul's words below, evidently this sort of thing happened
even before the Apostles
left the scene:(1 Corinthians 4:8 )
"Already you are filled; already you have been enriched; you have reigned
without us; and I would that you reigned, that *we* also might reign with you."
They should have waited upon Christ to say, "Come up here", But they have seated
themselves in the highest seat. ( Proverbs 25:7 )( Ps 69:29 )( Is 24:21 )( Micah 1:3 )
Isaiah 40:4
Every valley shall be exalted And every mountain and hill brought low; The crooked places
shall be made straight And the rough places smooth" see also Ezekiel 17:24 -
trudy
opps, sorry about the double posts. My computer froze and so.....shrugs~