Fidel Castro gives up power, what will happen?

by JK666 59 Replies latest jw friends

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  BurnTheShips

  So tell us Burn, why do you accept as authentic figures collated by the Wealth Health Organization when they suit your agenda, and reject them when they do not? Do you actually have an answer to this question, because if you do not I do. ;)

  I merely posted the info because it supported my argument. It was not my sole source. I have no reason to doubt it.

  As to the matter of Cuba, and leaving behind the display of fake passion that you indulge in above, the reality is that every nation, as does every person, reaps what they sow. The colonial autocracy of the US gave birth to Castro, they only have themselves to blame. Given the lack of funding in recent years from either of the 'superpowers' that have blighted the Cuban economy, it is amazing that the nation has not disintegrated into even more chaos, a testament to its people. I suspect that many who escape from Cuba do so, not to escape Castro but to escape from the economic prison that they find themselves in.

  Cuba was a Socialist experiment that had so little real socialism imbued in it that it merely became an experiment. In some ways it has worked, in other more important ways it has just proved that no Island is a Man.

  There is not a whole lot there for me to disagree with, as much as I would like to, "fake passion" stupidity notwithstanding, There is no fake passion involved on my end, the US may be reaping what is sows, but a lot of good people in the middle got screwed. You differentiate Castro from the economic prison, but only a dunce would realize that he built the prison, and that it was not only economic, but involved all the rights of man. As much as I would like to see the Castros and their cronies lined up against the same walls they bloodied, it is better to let bygones be and hope for a smooth bloodless transition and the restoration of the relationship between two American states.

  Burn
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  still_in74

  Ok lets slow down here,

  I am not saying Castro is good or right, I am only saying that the US isnt necessarily the answer to Cuba's problems.

  For the record, when I travel to Cuba I give hundreds of dollars away directly to locals and and rural Cubans, we bring gifts for kids and give away half our clothing. We do see the downside at least to the extent that we can in the short time there.
  My wife and I would love to see things change for the better in Cuba, we have friends that we keep in touch with there, but the US is in Mexico, Jamaica, DR, and other Carribean countries and these countries are still dealing with extreme levels of poverty, crime and corruption etc.

  Cuba needs new governement yes, but they dont need corporate America taking over.
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  BurnTheShips

  but the US is in Mexico, Jamaica, DR, and other Carribean countries and these countries are still dealing with extreme levels of poverty, crime and corruption etc.

  BC (Before Castro), Cuba had the highest standard of living in Latin America, and higher than several European nations of the time.

  Burn
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  still_in74

  Cuba had the highest standard of living in Latin America, and higher than several European nations of the time

  we caught a glimpse of it while we were there. Old Havana is beautiful, the architecture is second to none. I visited Hemingways room where he stayed and wrote a couple novels, he returned year after year becuase of the view from his window. I dont blame him, the view is amazing.
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  still_in74

  boy, not one reply from JKK? hehe, did you think you would spark such an active thread??
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  G Money

  Well I've been to Cuba twice in the past few years. On first glance and if you look how much people earn, you say, wow, they live in poverty! Doctors earn about $20 per month. Now if we look further, literacy is very high as well as home ownership. People have food, clothing and medical care. There are few fat people as one doesn't have enough food or money to be a glutton. No big screen tvs or fancy cars but more people socializing with other people. People are surviving on less and are generally happy. Money doesn't make people happy. How much money would you need to earn if you had a home, medical care, food and utilities paid? I think the embargo hurts the Cuban people. The people are living a step up from the poor in many countries but better as a whole than under Batista. The same is happening in Venezuela. If 80% of the country lives in poverty, do you keep the status quo so as not to trample on the property rights of the 20% while the 80% struggles and starves?
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  hillary_step

  Burn,

  I merely posted the info because it supported my argument. It was not my sole source. I have no reason to doubt it.

  Which suggests that you might have reason to doubt the WHO statistics regarding its health rankings. Your original doubts were by your own admission, because the WHO was affiliated with the UN. Has this changed the past fortnight. ;)

  HS
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  BurnTheShips

  boy, not one reply from JKK? hehe, did you think you would spark such an active thread??

  Usually, when JWD's resident dissident gets on the thread and starts with his heresy, it gets busy. ;-)
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  hillary_step

  Burn,

  You differentiate Castro from the economic prison, but only a dunce would realize that he built the prison

  You really need to brush up on your critical thinking skills. I mean this without rancour. Your arguments are all over the place.

  You have accepted that it was partially, and I submit mainly, due to US policy that Castro gained power. The foundations of the prison rest at the feet of the US. The continuing policy of economic embargo and political 'disfellowshipping' have kept Cuba in the hands of the Castro family,and the Russian bear for decades.

  Castro may have built the economic prison, but the US provided every bit of material he needed to do so. This is just another example of a flawed and reactionary foreign policy that reigns in the US each time it gets its nose bloodied.

  Castro would never have survived without US policy toward Cuba. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

  HS
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  BurnTheShips

  Castro may have built the economic prison, but the US provided every bit of material he needed to do so. This is just another example of a flawed and reactionary foreign policy that reigns in the US each time it gets its nose bloodied.

  Castro would never have survived without US policy toward Cuba. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.

  You miss the big picture. Cuba is small in the scheme of things, but it was a huge Soviet coup in the Cold War. Castro got to where he was partly due to Eisenhower's bungling, and Kennedy pretty much set Cuban policy in the context of the times after Castro threw in with Russia. The American policy towards Cuba was formulated in that context, and has stayed frozen in rigor mortis since. Maybe they shot themselves in the foot with respect to Cuba, but the alternative was to get nuked in the head. Easy choice if you ask me.

  Burn