shamus post is one of the most ignorant, hateful, and unkind i have read in a long time. classic closed minded judgemental and unloving witness attitude. i used to get mad at people like you. but now i just feel sorry for you and hope you can eventually learn the realities of life. good luck.
Drug Addiction and our trampled rights
by shamus100 78 Replies latest members adult
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real one
shamus100 shame on you, that is some very cruel and hateful stuff you said, thank God you are nobodies judge! Just reading your posts makes me so happy i know who Jesus is.
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5go
If there is any leach on society it's the Enron's that insist the money they make is their money. Only to later be found out they stole it and then the cherry to top it off, they are broke from boardroom plundering to boot. A CEO or CFO can plunder 1,000,000,000's of dollars from the masses, a drug addict if he is lucky might get away with 10,000 dollars in goods. Which he hocks for a 1000 dollars.
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Maddie
The problem of drug addiction is far more complex than you probably recognise or understand Shamus. It is a problem that society has created sadly and individuals who become victims.
Maddie
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parakeet
shamus wrote: "So I ask you - what is the answer?"
The only answer I can think of is kindness and compassion for those trapped in any kind of addiction. That doesn't mean running out and giving addicts what they crave. It means recognizing them as fellow human beings and recognizing that every solution generates another kind of problem. It's the way of the world. I'm an atheist, but believe that Jesus' saying to constantly forgive our fellow travelers on this earth is the only way to go.
The answer is to keep trying and keep forgiving, even if it means forgiving yourself. We've been pretty hard on you on this thread, but I believe your frustration with such a tangled problem has reached the tipping point. Try to go easier on your expectations of how the world should be and concentrate instead of how it is and what you can do about it. -
Satanus
We were adapted to the hunter gatherer tribal lifestyle. Civilization forced humanity to leave that life style behind. While the majority of people are able to adapt, a few always have problems.
A solution that has worked for a lot of people is a 3 month live in program based on the aa 12 step method. The general idea that is used, is for the person to face their own crap and get it out. They do a fair bit of writing/journaling in the process. After they graduate, they continue w the journaling and aa meetings.
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WTWizard
There is a simple, effective way to totally solve all our drug problems. (That is, the street drugs). It comes in two parts. Part one is to legalize drugs. That would prevent a lot of the criminal activity that goes along with drug use (they have to speed to avoid getting caught, and they carry guns in case someone snitches on them). Without the drugs being illegal, no one would be able to snitch, and hence those violence cases would be gone. Additionally, they would have more people willing to deal drugs until the market is saturated. That would shrink the profit margin to razor thin, and drug pushers would not be cost effective. Without the pushers, new addicts are going to be harder to round up. Current addicts could get their fixes without worrying about the law.
The second part is to provide stimulation. Work today is so stagnant. You can work all day and accomplish nothing. Then you get your dinky paycheck, and it's gone before the weekend. Schools are not much better--disjointed percepts are taught with no intention of integrating them into larger pieces. If we do away with the stagnant ruts, people are less likely to do drugs. Current addicts would get a better high in creating something of value instead of smoking weed or crack or taking horse. So they would quit the drugs. By now, the profits are so tiny that it is no longer cost effective to provide recreational drugs. And then the supply would dry up.
The side benefit is that, in case a drug is needed in medicine, it will be allowed without breaking any laws. There could be extracts from weed that might cure cancer or some other disease, and people would be free to use those extracts without applying for special permission. Cancer would be slashed, and those other diseases would be better treated or even cured. Even heroin might be useful in cases of terminal patients that are in severe pain and nothing else works, and addiction is not an issue.
The only question: What are we going to do with the money not spent on recreational drugs? Especially since all the good jobs would help drive prices down, and there would be no need for enforcement of drug laws. And, people would already be high, not from drugs but from the excitement of accomplishing something useful.
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shamus100
My apologies to all that I have offended. My comments were very rude, and I did not take into consideration anyone's feelings on this matter - only my own.
The only thing that I can do is go off my own experience at this point, and I can only see those kids that had been neglected. It pisses me off to no end.
I understand that there are a lot of people who have struggled with addiction and have beat it. To simply off someone because of that sounds like hitler. There are people who just don't want help, and are too far gone. I guess there are no answers.
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parakeet
Shamus, you're not the first (or only) person to go off the deep end when confronted with a problem that seems insoluble. I've made many apologies myself on this forum for writing without thinking first. Addiction is a horrifying situation for the addicts and their families. I can understand your frustration.
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frankiespeakin
Since the topic "Drug Addiction and our trampled rights" the question is, is the "our" in the title of this thread all inclusive or very selective? Appearently it was used by the author of the thread in a very narrow and selective way, and with out any real reguard for the rights of others who may differ in opinons as to personal rights being granted by the "state".
I agree with WTwizard, that legalization of drugs would be a big step in solving the problem, for much of the problem is caused by government restrictions, as to one's choices of medication,, which quite frankly none of the state's fucking business anyway.
If legal,,, then more variety of drugs would be available, and cheaper,and the criminal element associated with these chemicals would disapear. You would have less worry about HIV because no sharing of needle since they would be cheap and more sanitary precautions would be the more natural out come. The abundant supply and availiblity would take away the addictive nature of these drugs in the long term,, as I firmly beleive one way to cure an addict is to: "give an addict as much as he wants until he don't want anymore". I know this to be true in my case with heroin, and coke,, I just did as much as I wanted and even more than I wanted,,,until I got sick of it. I hardly ever use these drugs any more quite simply because I don't care for them perhaps due to my ayahuasca, and other psychedelic use or just plain used them until I nolonger wanted them.
And as they say: "water finds it's own level",,,so if drugs were made legal, and cheaper, and more widely availible and maybe a reasonable tax added to pay for rehabiltation when asked for by the user, things would get much better than the currant drug problem we face in the states.