Drug Addiction and our trampled rights (page 4)

Satanus

I too understand the frustration a person can have when he sees crackheads, adn even worse, methheads doing their crimes and scams on income earning people. Afterall, they are predatorial animals, in that state, without soul or heart, just brain, w cunning of a human. Yes, i understand.

S

shamus100

Frankinspeak,

That is an interesting concept I have not heard of before. I would say that those that have no interest in quitting hard drugs that sounds like an option. I still have a major problem with what they do to our communities.

The unfortunate truth about drugs in Canada is we cannot legalize drugs like marijuana - although relatively harmless because of trade with the United States. If we went that route, or legalized any drug there would be serious reprocussions for us. Sad but true.

It seems the usual programs just don't work. And to be honest there is a huge waiting list for those with addiction problems to get the help they need in our country. I know the states has them but they can be quite expensive.

frankiespeakin

Also I would like to add that any "state" sponsored rehab program to be effective in treating drug addiction needs to be as unbiased as humanly possible. They should give factual information, and aviod stigmatizations of those going for help. True unbiased information goes a long way in helping those addicted. Ibogaine, LSD, Mushrooms, and Ayahuasca therapy should even be offered, as well as many other choices,,paided for by a drug tax on addictive substances. This would certainly be the more humane and more effective way to handle the problem IMO.

frankiespeakin

Sham,

When you examine the problem more deeply than your own personal discomforts with those addicted, and look at the problem free of indoctrination from the "state"(generated by profits for the pharmacutical corporation giants and potential income tax loss) we can come to a more workable and practical solution,, that doesn't add to the burden of those addicted and offers genuine help.

Government in order to be legitimate needs to work for the peoples interest not against thier interest. The currant state of affairs I'm afraid is all pointing to government's illegitimacy in it's use of power over the lives of it's citizens. The havoc we see with the currant drug problem in the US is indicative of the need for a change in policy to something more practical than what is in place today. Education and not indoctrination is the key.

shamus100

Frankie,

We definetley need to try something different here. The current policies do not work.

Mincan

I've spent 10 years of my life unmedicated for my condition. Being too young when taken off them to recognise how much I needed them, I've come to this point in my life. I realise now that I never want to go back to that unmedicated state. Unfortunately, the particular medicines that help my condition have various social stigmas attached to them. What ignorant people fail to realise is that 1) There is a reason for taking these sorts of medications, that's why they are controlled substances lists in their class, because they do have therapuetic value, BUT they can also be abused by people without these conditions for recreation. 2) The amounts of these medications given to people with my condition are about 1/10th the amount per dose that your average abuser would use (i.e. it's physically impossible to get "high" off the amounts people are receiving for my condition).

jgnat

Shamus, I did read your post carefully, and you still scare me spitless. The crux of the issue is that none of us is qualified to decide who has a "valid" reason to do drugs. None of us can invalidate the pain and the struggles of another.

Let's take another look at your sister and my son. My son wants a family, too. I tell him he has to get himself straight before he brings children in to the world. That's the responsible thing to do. So far he's listening.

So I don't write him off as a potential husband or father, simply be responsible to get himself clean first.

shamus100

Jgnat,

I did not infer that your son cannot bring children into this world and live a normal life. Lots have done it - beat addiction and do lead normal lives.

You can understand where I'm coming from to some extent, at least I'm somewhat sure.

frankiespeakin

Sham,

You should watch HBO's series "The Wire" I think this to be a master piece in discribing city politics and the Afro-American drug culture in these inner cities. And if you happen to watch this show think to yourself "what would happen if drugs were made legal?,,How much money we would save in law enforcement, and inprisonment? How would these big drug dealer be able to exist? What would happen to the crime rate if drugs were made legal?

I think if one watches this show and asks these questions some pretty novel and not so novel ideas will come as to a better solution than the currant one.

JK666

The original scenario that Shamus put out is not only typical of right wing sentiments in the U.S., but also of people that are close to someone that is an addict. The people that live with, or are close to addicts develop a form of illness themselves, that challenges their mental health. There are support programs for these people as well, some based on the same twelve steps that help the addict to recover.

JK

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