An interesting dilemna (page 2)

RationalWitness

Mindfield (love your name btw),

Just say what you mean ... and mean what you say.

Cheers,
Rational

OUTLAW

mindfield,I`m happy you found a way to stay on the board...OUTLAW

Please read in your mother's Insight Into the Scriptures book under the heading of a LIE. Memorize as much as possible - because most of the jw's I've said this to have no idea what is actually said in there. (I'm not that smart - learned it on the internet).

You are in Theocratic Warfare (as your name suggests) for your spirituality. To be a jw or not. You have decided not. According to the Insight Book, you have the right to conceal, even lie, about your association because the person you're not telling the truth to "isn't deserving a truthful statement."

By your respect for your mother's feelings, it's obvious that you aren't out to hurt her - which is the other criteria for a lie. You aren't withholding a truthful answer from her to hurt her - you are trying to save your freedom of thought and religion.

You are in the clear according to the WTBTS - but you might not want to discuss this with your mom. I don't think she'd get it.

Hope you stick around here - and read all you can at the different sites. Fabulous information about the organization which you need to stay clear of.

And try to find a way go to college! I didn't encourage my boys, but they went anyway. They're not jw's, but one's in law school and the other has a 4.0 going for computers. Btw, they did it mostly on their own as I was still a jw.

Nice to meet you.

waiting

DazedAndConfused

One thing you have to thik about is people who are manipulated by some of the best manipulators in the world are bound to become manipulators themselves. Not to mention that parents themselves know what words to use. I think that by her saying it is not showing respect to her is a way of getting you to do exactly what she wants. She probably knew exactly what words to use for YOU.

Nowfree

Well done for making the decision to leave the organisation. It is a difficult decision to make, but definitely worth it.

I would have to concur with Battman about your living arrangements.

All the while you are working in a low paid job with your dad, you will be forever dependent upon your parents - therefore they are entitled to have some form of control over what you do.

What will happen when you want to invite new friends over who are not JW's - will your parents object? How about if you want to go out with friends, maybe to a Christmas party? Will you experience opposition from them? Will you be expected to go out while your parents have their JW friends over? I know my exhusband said he would go out if i invited my disfellowshipped friend over. The difference in religion WILL be the source of all sorts of conflict.

If you are able to obtain qualifications in a field that interests you - maybe engineering/construction/nursing etc etc - then you will be able to command a salary which will enable you to live independently. Then the choices you make about your life won't have to be ok'd with your parents.

If they are like all parents, they will have to have their say, and make comments about your choice, but it will be your decision.

Look forward to hearing more posts from you!!

Nowfree

mustang

Well, Mindchild & Battman covered the two choices on living at home.
Skimmer & others got most of the salient points and suggested options for recovering your life style.

Waiting has a point, if you want to use the manipulators ultimate tool. DazedAndConfused said it well about manipulation. Amen.

I'm going to bookmark this one and out it in my growing collection of 'obscure JW doctrines'; I shall title it 'living at "home"'.

So, I have another comment.

"The JWs' master weapon is guilt, as I'm sure you know, ..." ChimpGirl

"A guilt trip is a travel arrangement made by a controlling hypocrite." from Mustang.

Well, if the Guilt Trip is the master weapon or #1 tool, the "...show respect" business is #2.

However, the one that really pisses me off is that "...last days ....natural affection" rubbish. That is tool #3, I suppose.

But somewhere, they came up with the most effective tool of all: "...as long as you are under my roof, you'll do as I say!!!" That could be Tool #4, but it's the one you have to deal with 1st.

I've had all four (and more) used on me. Getting rid of #4 doesn't stop the rest, but it sure takes the wind out of their sails!!!

Hope you are able to stick around, however it goes.

Mustang
Been there, done that Class

PS Apologies about calling your mother or anyone's relatives a hypocrite. Nothing personal, it just goes with the territory.

waiting

Mustang ---- you learned nothing from your wild night in chat with 6 women, now did you.

Waiting has a point, if you want to use the manipulators ultimate tool.

I personally find when dealing with manipulators, use their own tools - especially when freedom to do as you want is not a current option, like still living at home.

Men shouldn't ignore what it says in women's magazines. It's blunt, but then, so are men. Zaza Gabor (kinda quoting from memory here.)

waiting

mustang

WAITING,

Well, I enter that one with trepidation. I keep remembering the old WTS saw about "....the seared conscience". Next, I remember that a combo of my father and the WTS taught me my basic honesty. Then I come to find out that both WTS & my father are in a dead heat as to who can be the world's biggest hypocrite. Sigh!!!

So, yes, I have reluctantly, in the past used Theocratic Warfare to protect my self!!! Farewell to innocence.

As Kirk said, at the end of a certain episode, "More snakes for the Garden of Eden, Scotty".

Mustang
who does what he must

BTW, how much for a copy of that book you mentioned, Insight Into the Scriptures, was it? After my time, LOL.

waiting

Howdy Mustang,

Interestingly, Insight on the Scriptures was printed in response to Ray Franz's leaving. He was one of the principle writes of the Aid Book.....so they needed a new authority when he left.

I've compared the Insight vs Aid book on LIE - and they are identical. From the little that I've compared, they just incorporated some stuff adding to the Aid Book, published it in Two Volumes -and we dummies paid for it all over again.

New, improved, and more expensive. If you can get Insight books, probably the *donation* should be around $20. They're green, so that explains the price.

waiting

ps: My old f-i-l used to have this saying (he was really country): "That's a *musty* pie." Then he'd wait, eyes twinkling. "It's so good, I *musty* have another piece."

Could that explain why some women in chat called you *Musty*?

mustang

Not sure about the nickname; there are several 'flavors' of the adulteration or mutilation thereof.

Thanks for the info on the book; I have the Aid book. So I won't
rush out to buy this best-seller.

Still, 20$ for a 'tool' is reasonably priced.

Mustang
Make Sure of All Things = the Snap-On of the Scriptures

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