Does anyone get scared?

by aud8 45 Replies latest jw experiences

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  ashitaka

  Disheartened by people who don't ever change? Who support a falling organization, who let people less spiritually advanced than them ruin their kindnes? Yes, that does frighten me. Some of my old friends frighten me with the way they treat me, and each other.

  You Know, you may be one of the lucky few blessed by a supportive congregation. I too believe in God and that he judges man according to his rules. I also believe that he doesn't change.

  The JW's put God in their pockets. They call Him 'our God'. God belongs to no one. You Know, will a sweet old lady who's been a catholic all her life, who's gone to every mass because she thought this was the way to God....would Jehovah destroy her? Or the Hindu who follows his ancestors, and accords all man in respect-will he be let go? The good hearted agnostics who've been jaded by religion because of abuse, disloyalty from family members, and hypocrisy...God will not take pity on them?

  You Know, I'm a young man. Very young. But I believe what I do for a reason. The bible confuses me as much as it comforts me. In the end I believe this: That if God can forgive his sinful followers such as David, Paul and Peter, then he will see our goodness, and that if there is a judgement, he will be there looking into the hearts of men for christ-like qualities which will serve him, not credentials on paper.

  God serves no man. He won't let good-hearted people down.

  ashi
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  ianao

  You Know "Spake":

  I can assure you that I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. And when I say "we" I am referring to Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Well thanks for letting me know. BTW, just to let you know, I could "assure you" that I am the pope. Does that necessarily make it true? (even if I "truly" believed it)?
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  You Know

  I'm not sure on what basis you make this statement. I know many "apostates" (by Watchtower definition) who are very
  God-fearing, more than any JW I ever knew.

  That's hard to believe. I think you lying. Can you point to any apostate JWs that post on this board whom you would consider to be God fearing and who don't mock and ridicule his determination to bring about a judgment upon this system of things?

  We just don't believe in the unscriptural Armageddon presented by the Watchtower, in which its petty and vindictive god will destroy eternally 99.9% of the human race for not recognizing "his" organization despite its lies, false prophecies and unloving practices.

  Apostate JWs are unquestionably some of the stupidest people on the planet. In fact, I would say that they are THE stupidest. That's because most people are largely ignorant of the Bible and what it says, not so apostate JWs. They have been given a vastly superior education in the Scriptures, and yet they perversely twist the truth to blaspheme God and make themselves appear to be morally superior. The Watchtower doesn't teach that God personally kills 99.9% of mankind. That is a lie. The Bible of course teaches no such thing either, as you well know. What the Watchtower teaches is that it is God's judgment for this world to meet up with a great tribulation. The tribulation is brought about by the demons who use the governments to launch a genocidal holocaust that will annihilate a large percentage of the population along with all religions. The Romans demonstrated on a small scale how the tribulation will be brought about by human agencies. Jehovah simply allows human governements to serve as executioners of his judgments. The modern day tribulation will be brought about when the king of the north launches into a great rage and goes forth to annihilate many peoples. Jehovah's angels do intervenve at some point but evidently that is only to execute the executioner. And Jehovah promises salvation to all of those who call upon his name in trueness.

  If the elders knew what you are doing, you would surely be disfellowshipped, despite your protests to the contrary.

  You are a madman indeed. Your petty self-righteous judgmental opinions about by faithfulness and integrity are no concern to me. Paul said that human tribunals were a trivial thing to him. They are to me too. For your info: The elders and my CO know what I do. So does the Society. I live by the knowledge that I will stand and fall before Jehovah. He is my judge.

  Yes, there will be an ultimate day of accounting, and hypocrites will not fare well on that day.

  You had better believe it. / You Know
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  Englishman

  Aud8,

  Fear not! There will be no accounting from God. If you believe that God created you in his image, then it's obvious that if we care for our own children, how much more will the Creator care for you, as we are his children.

  All the fears stuff comes from organised religion, in particular from the WTBTS. When you think carefully about it, to suspect that God will kill you is quite a dis-service to the Creator. If you like, its like a total stranger telling you that one day you will murder your own children.

  Maybe it's this sort of conflict that is responsible for JW's having such messed up minds.

  Englishman.

  Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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  Englishman

  Just noticed YK's post, have you noticed that JW's fear demons even more than Satan?

  Some primeval fear arousal going on here methinks!

  Englishman.

  Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....
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  You Know

  You Know, will a sweet old lady who's been a catholic all her life, who's gone to every mass because she thought this was the way to God....would Jehovah destroy her?

  Hitler no doubt killed thousands of sweet old Jewish ladies. Stalin starved millions of Ukranian peasants. Why do you assume that YOU are so special? Jehovah's pre-recorded judgments are that this system meet up with it's day of justice. You imagine that God is going to personally kill people he doen't like. That's not what the judgment day is all about. The judgment day is when this system fails and leaves people with only two alternatives. One will lead to life and the other to death.Each person will be required to make a choice under the most trying of circumstances. Apostates mock and ridicule the very notion that this system could implode upon itself. On the other hand, I have repeated shown from this world's own sources, that the system is very vulnerable to collapse and that in fact that such a calamitous crash is inevitable. Jehovah offers a place of protection to those who are willing to look to him. What more do you think God should do? / You Know
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  DannyBear

  aud,

  Myths, legends, stories have been invented, told and retold throughout man's recorded and pre-historic times. Every culture/religon has manufactured some ogre,beast,or spirit creature that can exact immediate or far distant destructive wrath and indignation.

  Pre-historic man painted pictures of 'alien like' creatures on the walls of caves, fear inspiring creatures, allowing some self-appointed guru to scare the living begeebee's outa those young and old gathered around the camp fires. Be good or Boohooeyjah will come and get you.

  As man's thinking abilities improved, civilized villages with codes of conduct based on facts of life at the time. Couple that with re-enforcement of the societal norms by religous doctrine and punishment for violating such, you have a receipe for creating 'fear and loathing' as regards displeasing their tribal 'god'(s).

  When man finally progressed far enough to start recording on rocks and plaster, endless stories about their god's of choice, the god's who exacted hideious torture and mayhem were somehow the most popular. In other words they got the most press.

  There were a few pockets of more reasonable legends, peace loving, and sanquine god's, but for the most part, to be any kind of god that would mold or shape the follower's into submission it had to be a pretty bloodthirsty.

  Even when Jesus and Mohamed came along, the ancient recorded histories of their god's personalities and conduct, really kinda of dampened the new explanations offered by these prophets. Jehovah's record of bloodlust and wanton destruction was by then very well recorded and documented. Allah was further explained, but only the enlightened or those with birthright could benefit.

  Right on through the so-called dark age, into the light of modern thinking, man just pulled, wrenched, and prodded their respective old god's right along with them. Changing and modifying the god's appearance and doctrines.

  What almost every single 'god' retained, was the ability to inspire fear and loathing. Oh god please don't destroy me, burn me, plague me
  with diseases, deaths, sins, you name it, whatever man did not understand or have a clue about, 'god' was and is the chosen whipping boy.

  So in view of the above. Why be scared of some painting on a cave wall? Isnt that the real question?

  DannyBear
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  DIM

  you know -

  you'd be disfellowshipped right away if you went to my hall or any of the other neighboring halls. you either are (a) lying about your elders knowing what you do or (b) have an extremely liberal congregation - your hall (if what you say is true) is the exception, not the rule.

  i'm sick and tired of hearing things from uptight-short-sighted-narrow minded hypocritics. all i want is the truth just gimme some truth - John Lennon
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  ianao

  Wow You Know! You completely dodged ashitaka's question! Amazing! Why can't you just say these words: "I don't know", or "Yes" (which is what you probably believe anyway)?
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  patio34

  There isn't a chance that this day of reckoning will come true in the way JWs ay. All thrughout the history of the Bible, there were threats from religion of destroying people for their alleged wickedness.

  OldHippie makes a good point that religion isn't presently the enemy. If anything, there has been a rushing to the defense of true Islam. Our President is very religious.

  JWs just always try to make a square peg fit a round hole according the their theology. It never has worked for 120 years. When will the R&F get wise?

  Pat