A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world." (page 34)

Terry

You consistently do away with all religious, and metaphysical truth because for you the only truth is that which is accessible to the scientific method. You have a gaping hole in your mind. You are a science absolutist.

Religious "truth"?

Metaphysical "truth"?

Ain't no such animal! Truth is that which conforms to REALITY.

Religious truth is a hundred opinions, each one trumping and undermining the next.

Metaphysical truth is mostly doing damage to perfectly good words by distorting them into silly putty.

What does science have that Religion and Metaphysics don't have? RESULTS!

Science is practical. It works. It improves life and gives us enough spare time to sit here hurling packets of energy across time and space on JWD. The electric light, computers, medicine, technology, germ theory....none of these come from religion or metaphysics.

What an elitist jackass!!

Tsk Tsk! You'll have folks thinking you've run out of actual rebuttal!

It sure is . Even Einstein's theory maintains that measurements are relative to the inertial reference frame of the observer. And even E=MC2 cannot escape indeterminacy at certain scales. Virtual particles Lamb shift measurements at the quantum levels and the equation does not balance. The law of conservation of matter/energy gets violated . The appearance of VPs is indeterminate . Some even say they are proof of ex nihilo (I am not one of them).

Good Lord, man!

As obfuscation goes, this is a dilly! Lamb shift?!!

Move over, Jesus! Einstein comin' at ya!

digderidoo

If this debate is coming down to science v religion i have one question to any christian.

If a child was ill would he be taken to a doctor or the church?

Just my two penneth. Paul

BurnTheShips

Religious "truth"?
Metaphysical "truth"?
Ain't no such animal! Truth is that which conforms to REALITY.

What is REALITY?

Hmmm?

Religious truth is a hundred opinions, each one trumping and undermining the next.
Metaphysical truth is mostly doing damage to perfectly good words by distorting them into silly putty.
What does science have that Religion and Metaphysics don't have? RESULTS!

Science alone has results? Really? Science has results in its own domain. Why are we here?

Do you love your son?

Science is practical. It works. It improves life and gives us enough spare time to sit here hurling packets of energy across time and space on JWD. The electric light, computers, medicine, technology, germ theory....none of these come from religion or metaphysics.

All true, but these things are not all that we need in life.

Good Lord, man!
As obfuscation goes, this is a dilly! Lamb shift?!!
Move over, Jesus! Einstein comin' at ya!

Tsk Tsk! You'll have folks thinking you've run out of actual rebuttal!

A scientismist that is ignorant of science.

The most pathetic of all creatures.

BurnTheShips

If this debate is coming down to science v religion i have one question to any christian.

There is no "vs" for me.

BTS

Terry

If this debate is coming down to science v religion i have one question to any christian.
If a child was ill would he be taken to a doctor or the church?
Just my two penneth. Paul

What we currently have is my original question just hanging there in space with no true believer able to answer it. The consequence is, of course, deflection, obfuscation, name calling, and the usual bald assertions without evidence.

On what basis can God be said to LOVE the world of mankind so much that He gave His only begotten son that mankind be saved?

Thus far, nobody has offered a BASIS for the justness of God's love in this instance against the BASIS for his condemnation from the Eden episode.

Science has practical value because it helps us every day.

Religion not only wants to trump science by mere assertions without evidence, Religion wants to supercede the need for science!

I assume Burn the Ships was once a rabid JW as he is a rabid (whatever) now.

Was there no interim period in which it was possible to flush out the cache of convictions without proof and simply think about things from scratch?

BurnTheShips

Religion not only wants to trump science by mere assertions without evidence, Religion wants to supercede the need for science!

This is not true.

I assume Burn the Ships was once a rabid JW as he is a rabid (whatever) now.

You are the one that is rabid, the fact that you are unable to label me here demostrates that I am not dogmatic or narrow.

You are.

BTS

digderidoo

Religion wants to supercede the need for science!

Dont agree with that, after all religion came before science.

Religion has its place in society, in my view it is science that is trying to supercede religion. There has always been a need to search for 'the truth' and both attempt to do that. Science has a way of explaining that need to someone who doesn't have God or spirituality in their lives.

Paul

hamilcarr

Science has a way of explaining that need to someone who doesn't have God or spirituality in their lives.

I don't agree because no one is born a scientist. Due to its all-embracing nature, science is both for religious and non-religious people.

Terry

the fact that you are unable to label me here demostrates that I am not dogmatic or narrow.

Can one dogmatically assert one is not dogmatic?

I didn't label you so that you can't accuse me of ad hominem.

Your arguments are all over the place and without foundation.

When I call you on your bald assertions you cry out in anguish and begin deflecting.

If I had to choose just one label (one size fits all) it would be contrarian.

Whatever I say, your against.

But, a discussion or debate needs a bit more than that, I'm afraid.

You need standing. You need basis. You need logic. You need coherent foundational bedrock ethos.

I'll ask you directly again:

ON WHAT BASIS can God be said to LOVE the world so much that He gave His only begotten son?

All through human history this self-same God CONDEMNED MANKIND on the basis of imperfection, sin, corruption and bad behavior.

All these are JUSTIFIABLE complaints from a God who is man's maker and who demands perfection.

So, what CHANGED God enough to want to lower His standard enough to LOVE sinful, wicked, imperfect and corrpt man???

I'm waiting.......

All you've offered in the past is a lot of trumpeting that God needs no basis or that God is Soverign and can do anything He wants.

Answers without rational, logical and integral MORALITY leading to INJUSTICE.

Allowing an innocent man to die for guilty ones is immoral.

BurnTheShips

ON WHAT BASIS can God be said to LOVE the world so much that He gave His only begotten son?

Are you deflecting?

On WHAT BASIS do you love your son?

Do you love your son?

You claim to be reality-based. What is reality?

BTS

A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."

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