by real one 168 Replies latest jw friends
I guess its a case against the absolute and the doubters of spiritualism
I fall into the absolute group myself, after being an agnostic for a time since leaving the JWS.
Seems like whenever I went searching to find God, all I could ever find was man.
I really don't understand Atheism but now from your posts I am getting some clarity. Thanks to DD I am also getting an understanding as to why this condition occurs.
wraith says:
Do you believe in the fardamatic-oradub?
No, you're without belief in it.
Were you without belief in it before I mentioned it?
Yes.
But notice you didn't used to believe it didn't exist.
You'd never even heard of it. Yet you also didn't believe in it.
Wraith,
ok lets expand on this. You have given me this term. what does it mean?
Dave,
Athiest means you believe God does not exist, correct?
So what would in between those two mean?
lol
hope4others
>> Athiest means you believe God does not exist, correct?
"Believe" means something different to you and to me, I think. I "believe" my car is out in the parking lot. I can't be certain, of course. It may have been stolen. I could go check and THEN I'd be certain.
I believe there's no god. But I can't check, so I can't be certain.
A belief in your world carries a level of certainty that just doesn't exist in my world.
My muslim-agnostic friend suggested this way of thinking about it:
An atheist believes the evidence is insufficient to support belief in the existence of a god.
An agnostic believes it is impossible to know if a god exists.
Do you see a difference? Sounds like orangeish-red and reddish-orange to me..
Dave
Atheism is about denying all forms or identities of spiritualism, not just (a) God
Dave says:
An atheist believes the evidence is insufficient to support belief in the existence of a god.
An agnostic believes it is impossible to know if a god exists.
How can an atheist say the evidence is insufficient to support belief in a god when they could not possibly know all the evidence? How can an agnostic believe it is impossible to know if a god exist when they don't know all the possibilities?
VERY short article entitled "How To Be A Spiritual Atheist": http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/2-13-2006-88828.asp
Real one, consider the position you're suggesting. No one could say anything about anything until they knew everything about everything. Does that really seem practical to you? Can you honestly say you've learned everything about Islam? About Hinduism? About anything other than your own religion?
This is why I don't speak in absolutes, by and large.
I think OJ was guilty. But he might not have been. I just think it's likely.
I don't think there's a god. There might be, I just don't think it's likely.
Dave
Real One,
How can one be considered an athiest? Athiest means you believe God does not exist. Agnostic means you don't know if God really exist. I'm confused.
Yes, you certainly are confused, and about a number of important matters. Education is your only help in this matter. Atheism, at least in its more definitive term, does not mean what you think it does. Before you attack atheists and atheism, why not dignify yourself by finding out what these terms actually mean. Read David Hume and find out why agnosticism is in fact based on honest subjectivity and is not a religion. Find out why your definition of atheism is wide of the mark. Above all, stop making the rudimentary religionists error of perceiving both atheism and agnosticism as some sort of 'reverse' religious thinking. Neither of them are. HS
