Just one shred of evidence?

by nvrgnbk 75 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul
    Galileo: Yeah, that's one of my favorite rationalizations for believing whatever the hell you want without evidence. It sounds good, but really only the first half is true in the general sense. Most of us that try to think rationally have a specific threshold of evidence in order to believe anything. If that threshold were met, we would believe.

    But what if those for whom no evidence will suffice somehow came to be the preeminent portion of the entity which label all of creation and the all the evidence of a Creator? What if they went about "thingifying" every concept to the degree that rational thought about the non-REALITY of gravity devolved ever into a philosophical discussion of what is really real?

    Gravity is not a person, place, or thing. But we have it listed as a noun and we label it a force, even though we have no real evidence it exists. We have evidence that it happens, but none that it exists. Hadrons and leptons are held together by gluons, who made up the labels for these fundamental building blocks of all matter? What are 'bosons', really? Who says where one stops and the other starts?

    If a buckyball is a wave and a particle, depending on your perspective, is all matter similarly a wave and a particle? Oh. Brilliant. What, exactly, is a 'wave'? Oh, well, AuldSoul, that is something we discovered we could measure so we slapped a name on it . . . beyond that we don't really know.

    In our "genius" and our infatuation with our own ability to discover and utilize the reality we are surrounded by, we have hastily labeled the superabundant evidence of a Creator as anything but. The Creator is not a God of the Gaps, but is the God of the Forces of nature (and so very much more) many elements and aspects of which which we have grossly misidentified as being our various labels and definitions.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo

    You wouldn't accept evidence even if it walked up to you and slapped you in the face.

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    nvr,

    Why does "whether God exists or not" bother you so much?

    Warlock

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Why does "whether God exists or not" bother you so much?

    He wants all of us to be as enlightened as he is.

    BTS

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr
    Why does "whether God exists or not" bother you so much?

    After 44 posts, this is a question that should be asked to every poster on this thread.

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    It whiles away the time...

  • Galileo
    Galileo

    You wouldn't accept evidence even if it walked up to you and slapped you in the face.

    Is that directed at me? If so, what makes you say that? I spent years of my life trying my hardest to believe in God, wanting desperately to believe, and being filled with despair at not finding any evidence. Not believing has cost me dearly in family relationships, including my wife of ten years. I'm sure their are believers that would love to imagine that atheists like me simply don't want to believe or have not looked at the evidence. That someone could scrutinize the bible and the physical evidence thoroughly and come out declaring that they have found not even "one shred of evidence", despite wanting to, must make believers uncomfortable, but that is what happened. And I am far from alone in this.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    After 44 posts, this is a question that should be asked to every poster on this thread.

    I know you are sooo above the fray...but would you answer your own question?

  • Galileo
    Galileo
    Why does "whether God exists or not" bother you so much?

    The question bothers me because religion is one of the most destructive, devisive, and harmful forces in the world today. It makes people proud of their ignorance, teaches that followers will be rewarded for violence and murder against others, causes parents to deny children medical care, spreads AIDS and other STDs in the worlds poorest nations, and keeps tens of millions if not billions of humans from reaching their full potential. Considering all this, doesn't this question deserve at least a little discussion?

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    It makes people proud of their ignorance, teaches that followers will be rewarded for violence and murder against others, causes parents to deny children medical care, spreads AIDS and other STDs in the worlds poorest nations, and keeps tens of millions if not billions of humans from reaching their full potential. Considering all this, doesn't this question deserve at least a little discussion?

    I am humbled by my ignorance.

    I believe I will be rewarded for being peaceful.

    I do not deny ethical medical care to anyone.

    My own moral code, if applied, prevents the spread of AIDS and other STDs.

    I am in the process of reaching my personal full potential in life.

    Your quarrel is not with me.

    BTS

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