EXPLAIN THIS.......Real, mystical, or what?

by journey-on 30 Replies latest jw friends

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    All the talk on recent threads about what is real and what is beyond the explainable made me decide to reveal something that happened to me. I usually keep these things close to the vest, because I truly do believe in the phrase: "He that knows does not speak. He that speaks does not know." Usually, there are no words sufficient to explain the experience, much less the other things that go along with it emotionally, intuitively, and even mentally, so generally it’s best to just keep it to oneself.

    I have changed the names and the event because I have told my story to JW family and if they are lurking, I would be identified in a heartbeat. But the below scenario is similar to one that happened to me.

    A human is many things in One. You are a physical body, but while that body is doing the physical things like eating, drinking, digesting, walking, sleeping, building, typing, gardening, driving, etc., it is absorbing information, as well. This is a physical process of the body brain.

    But, then something else takes over. You accommodate and assimilate this information in your physical brain, but it is transformed into something else. It mixes with something called emotion and mental constructs and something called experience takes the information and decides what category to put it in based on your brain’s "filing system". The following example is similar to something that happened to me, and I’ve never been able to blow it off as nothing but a coincidence.

    For instance, you are out on the beautiful ocean sailing (not too far off shore). I don’t know much about sailing, but since it is one of the things on my "bucket list", I will use it as an example. It is a lot of work. You have to do a lot of physical preparation and wind calculations, but once the work is done and everything is just right, you sit back and begin to take in the experience. You put your face up to the sun and close your eyes feeling its warmth on your damp skin. You smell the ocean and taste the salt water on your lips. You feel the touch of the wind blowing your hair, you hear the waves gently slap against the boat and listen to the cackle of the seagulls. You are fully and completely in the moment using all of your physical senses. This is the physical reality of your life at this very moment.

    Suddenly you’re in the past mentally and tears fill your eyes as you recall a sailing experience just two short years ago with a now deceased loved one. Then you remember the day you took his ashes out on this very boat and poured them into the sea not far from this very spot. Sadness washes over you as you emotionally acknowledge how very much you miss him. You wonder about an after life and inside your mind you pray: "Father, if my loved one’s consciousness has continued on, I ask that in some way, you let me know." You allow the emotion to embrace you for a few minutes, then you release the question into the universe. Then you brush it off and get back to enjoying this moment in this present.

    Later, that evening, after you’ve docked your boat, you walk along the pier. Your loved one is still on your mind and you laugh inwardly about an argument you had with him not too long before he died right here on this very pier. Your daughter was having her first child and the ultrasound showed it was a girl. She decided on the name Sidney. You thought the name was lovely and when you told your loved one, he said Sidney was a boy’s name. You playfully argued with him that day about the name, and now, as you walk toward a small restaurant at the end of the pier (one of his favorite oyster bars), you recall him telling you he had never known a girl named Sidney but had known three or four male Sidneys in his lifetime. He pulled you to his side, and firmly said with a gleam in his eyes, "Girls are not named Sidney."

    Back in the present, the hostess at the restaurant greats you, "How many in your party."

    "Just me tonight," you reply with a slight lonesome tone in your voice.

    "As she walks you to a booth, she says that your waitress will be with you momentarily," and she hands you the menu.

    Moments later a lovely young girl walks up with pad and pen in hand and says at the very moment you look at her name tag, "Hi, my name is Sidney. I’ll be your waitress tonight. What would you like to drink."

    You KNOW with absolute certainty that you have been given your answer. There is no doubt whatsoever in your mind. The experience of the day, the sentimental recollection of an exact conversation about that exact name, and the entire day’s dynamic was more than a mere coincidence, and somehow you know it with absolute certainty.

    What is at play here? Mere coincidence? Have you ever had something so revealing happen to you that you KNOW it is something more?

    To me, this is where reality and the unknown come together. Sometimes, when you are open and watching (seeing with seeing eyes and hearing with hearing ears), you are given answers.

    Your thoughts, please.

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    No takers, uh?

    I guess what I was trying to ask is this: When we are trying to be rational and "believe" only those things that can be proven

    and measured and scientifically explained, what do you do with an experience like this one, especially if you have had more

    than just this one isolated experience? It seems to throw a monkey wrench in one's struggle to believe only in a physical world where

    things can be measured and explained.

    Just thought somebody might have the same struggle.

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    That was beautifully written.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I will take it. COINCIDENCE. Never automatically assume that such a thing cannot be
    coincidence. Humans tend to make a bigger to-do out of simple anecdotal evidence that
    really points to coincidence.

    I wouldn't normally say that to try to zing a person back to reality, but you laid it out there
    as if it could be nothing else. If the waitress didn't cross your path until the next morning,
    you would still "know" it was the answer you were looking for. If the female anchor on the
    news playing on the television at the bar was Sydney, it would still be your answer.
    Basically, you are setting your self up to look for an answer and your time limit is vague,
    your definition of an answer is vague. Often, something will come along to fill the void left
    by the request for an answer.

    The waitress could have had your daughter's name, or you could have heard another
    story in the restaurant about another "burial at sea" or something else.

    COINCIDENCE: a chance occurrence of simultaneous or apparently connected events.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Carl jung's collective unconscious premise explains it. It is about how everyone is connected on the subconscious level. You had a serious question about the name. You injected it into the collective human subconscious. That means that a response to the request commenced being negotiated by those in the vicinity who may have a subconscious interest. I say negotiation, because you were also involved, ie, perhaps you were subconsciously moved to go where you did for the response. I have had similar things happen w things that were even more specific. No need to bring in gods or spirits in this case.

    S

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    Thanks, Nvr.

    OTWO: I've had things happen that I chalk up to nothing but coincidence....we all have. But, I can't help but think/feel/believe

    that sometimes there is something so "coincidental" that it goes beyond the usual and into the recognition that something else

    is at play and you automatically know it with absolutely no doubt. It's not like other coincidences where you acknowledge it, then

    pass it off.

  • journey-on
    journey-on
    It is about how everyone is connected on the subconscious level

    Thanks, Satanus, for your input. I know about Carl Jung's collective unconscious theory. If there is any truth to it, I wonder how we are connected. What would be the "scientific" mechanism that connects us all on this subconscious level?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    'I wonder how we are connected. What would be the "scientific" mechanism that connects us all on this subconscious level?'

    'Spirit'? I'm afraid that science doesn't go there.

    S

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    It's not like other coincidences where you acknowledge it, then

    pass it off.

    Okay, here's one of those. I have told this story here before, so I don't
    mind opening up and making myself the subject of a rather personal story:

    I attempted suicide. I put a gun in my mouth and gently squeezed the trigger. It had a hair
    trigger so it should have killed me. After a few moments, I let go. It didn't go off. Nothing
    wrong with the gun. I just knew God interfered with that gun going off. (This is not the point
    of the story- in reality, I just couldn't do it.)

    Well, I prayed for God to guide me as to what to do now. I told him I obviously didn't know
    what to do with my life, so I asked him to take direct control and lead me in the direction I
    needed to go. I hoped in my car and checked in at the hospital via the emergency room.
    God didn't need to guide me to do such a common-sense thing, but I am sure that he did.

    They asked if I wanted to call anyone. I called my mother. She was more than 1000 miles
    away, so she wasn't going to visit me so easily. (As a matter of fact, she never came out.
    I never dealt with that issue.) She was so distraught that I wouldn't call her for help before
    taking such a drastic measure in my life. Funny how we were never really talking anyway,
    so why would she expect me to come to her for help? Anyway, she promised we would
    be much closer from then on (and we are). That was God correcting the problems in my
    life.

    Well, the JW's came to visit me at the hospital the next day. They said my mother had
    contacted them. "She just happened to catch me answering the phone at the KH this
    morning. I wouldn't normally be there. So I was on my way this way for [some reason or
    another] and I came by here. They said that the psych ward doesn't normally accept
    visitors at this hour, but since I was a minister, I could see you."

    WELL, I already knew God was in direct control of my life. I had already had a very
    positive session with the doctors that day. Now, after preparing me to accept help in my
    life, God sent this minister to me. And it was against all odds. Imagine that. These
    JW's must be God's agents in helping me. I was hooked.

    Telling it that way, it is clear that there is coincidence involved and some pyschological
    explanation. I was looking for evidence of God's guidance. Whatever I found would be
    the answer. I am so happy the Moonies or the Hare Krishnas didn't ask for me.

    If I can be so misled by that kind of "evidence" then so can others. I just "knew" that
    God sent these people, even though I now know they are clearly not God's agents. So
    something is awry. Please don't tell me that God led me to the JW's so that I could become
    a better person before I was led to the real truth, because I am a shipwreck of faith leaning
    toward atheism today. If that's what God led me to, then He is still teaching me. The only
    direction I have left to go is abandoning of Christianity altogether and learning that Buddists or
    followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster are correct.

    Sorry to be so harsh. COINCIDENCE, baby. Coincidence.

    People in jail or on drugs or in near-death experiences have similar episodes all the time.
    People who suffer loss have the same. WT mags and convention talks are full of anecdotal
    evidence about JW's knocking at just the right moment or of a magazine article saving someone's
    life. Weed out the ones that are not true and you have coincidence on the others.

  • journey-on
    journey-on

    OTWO:

    First of all....so sorry you were in such a bad place in your life at that time. All the things that transpired after

    the failed firing of the gun were things that guided you to a better state of mind at the time. Your story could

    be one of simple coincidences, I don't know. But, since you turned to your JW mother, it's only natural that

    she would call the KH to send out someone to you. That would be a normal operating procedure for a JW

    mother 1000 miles away to do. If she were a Catholic, she would probably have called a priest in your area

    to go visit you. Your story sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy: "God saved me, now my life is in his hands.

    Wherever he leads me now is where I will go."

    But...........what happened to me is not anything like that. At the risk of revealing too much about my experience,

    let's just say rather than the name Sidney, the name was Xaranthetica. That is more like what my experience was.

    It was too "too" to be mere coincidence.

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