SHOULD SUSAN ATKINS BE RELEASED FROM PRISON? (page 5)

John Doe

Cold blooded murder of a pregnant woman is not something that a person should forgive.

Wow. Your post was very poweful to me. I had to read it in stages as I found myself kind of zoning out after that first paragraph. Really hit me hard. What little I went through is as nothing compared to what you describe. I cannot imagine where to begin recovery or even how to begin living a normal life after something that monstrous.

I wish that I believed in a God and a final court of judgement, but that luxury is not to be.

This was where I hit a stopping point in my recovery. The idea that those who hurt the innocent and get away with it in this life is bad enough, but the idea that there would never be a calling to justice leads me to despair. Yet that is where I find myself on this question.

I asked that question of how the criminal lives with it when I began looking at my parents, and I wondered how they did it. I came to the conclusion that the only way is to change the events in your own mind. The event either never happened or the person changes their role in it to one of innocence or even being victimized themselves. In my own family, they chose the former. Nothing ever happened; at least in their mind. And after a few decades they even begin to believe it themselves.

I think Atkins is more of the latter. I think she changed the events of those days in her mind to where now she is completely innocent or at least an innocent bystander who was being victimized by a bloodthirty cult leader.

I think to fully embrace the crime and recognize and take responsibility on a moral level for what you have done is beyond the vast majority of people. And it grows exponentially, i.e. the worse the crime the less likely it is there is true remorse.

Still ... I do wonder what these sorts of people think when they can't sleep at 2:00 a.m. When there is no one around, no one to deny or perform for, when it's just them and their memory. Do they hear the screams of their victims? Is there even the smallest piece of shame? Regret? Is there some small shred of humanity, of basic human decency somewhere in there?

I would like to think so, but I doubt it.

We must stand up in this life and be counted.

The choice between doing what is right versus what is easy.

I have no doubt that were you in Croatia, and saw even one of those atrocities you would have done anything in your power to stop it even at the cost of your own life.

For anyone who has survived that sort of experience, knowing it is possible for people to be so compassionate and caring and willing to intervene, well ... it means a great deal to them. It helps warm those cold dead spots in the soul. It doesn't change what happened, but it does help to change how you feel about what happened. If that makes sense.

Sorry for rambling.

Be well,

Chris

Warlock

I lived in the area during the time these people were loose and commiting these murders. Sharon Tate's house has been knocked down, and her address no longer exists. They replaced it with three or four smaller homes. I could take you there right now.

I remember the fear in the community when all these things were happening. The Manson Family also murdered the LaBiancas, who lived in a very nice area of Los Angeles.

I say that she had an act of compassion bestowed upon her when her sentence was commuted from death to life in prison.

She had no compassion. Why should I?

Warlock

Wasanelder Once

She has no right to die with dignity. She killed without dignity, let her die without any. W.Once

nomoreguilt

Another CULT follower. I am sure that the majority here whould love to see the WTS held accountable for the large number of people that DIED for the beliefs of NO BLOOD. I , personally , hold this opinion. As for the bleeding heart liberals here ," OH, the poor little thing didn't know what she was doing".........Think about it................WTS+ NO BLOOD= DEATH.

My 2 cents worth...........

NMG

hillary_step

Big Tex,

I asked that question of how the criminal lives with it when I began looking at my parents, and I wondered how they did it. I came to the conclusion that the only way is to change the events in your own mind. The event either never happened or the person changes their role in it to one of innocence or even being victimized themselves. In my own family, they chose the former. Nothing ever happened; at least in their mind. And after a few decades they even begin to believe it themselves.

Yes, this is exactly the process that many criminals, and the worse the crime the more noted the emotional transference, make in their own thinking. Rather like the break in a bone, it either never heals properly in the minority of cases, or when it does heal, the place of the break becomes harder than the surrounding bone itself.

There are those who are paid to try to understand why this happens, poor sods. What they do know is that sociopaths and to a more limited degree sociopathic thinking is a defect from birth. Some are born with this defective thinking. If they are raised by loving parents they tend to become the heroes and 'daredevils' in society. If they are raised surrounded by dysfunction, they become the remorseless killers. If you have read anything about Manson's early life, you will note the incredibly dysfunctional childhood that he had. At one stage his sixteen year old hooker mother swapped him for a drink!

Very few people who are truly evil think themselves as evil, they think themselves used by God, used by fate, chosen to be different, brilliantly cunning (Manson despite never having attended school for longer than a few weeks at a time had a tested IQ of 121) anything but face the mirror of their soul.

You have been through the type of Hell that most people could barely imagine Chris. That you have survived with such a big and open heart speaks much for your character. I have no idea how you are able to cope, but I admire you for it.

HS

hillbilly

Givng your life for a matter of religious preference is not a crime. it's screwed up beyond all believe after your eyes open, but not a crime.

Heinous, cold blooded murder is.

I dont see how you can reconcile one with the other. The GB and those who serve them will be judged soon enough... and they need to fear..........

Hill

BurnTheShips

I think we all have the the monster inside. Each and every one of us.

BTS

hillary_step

Burn,

I think we all have the the monster inside. Each and every one of us.

Well, I have heard the expression 'every man (or woman) is capable of anything', and while I agree in the main part, the 'monster' that lives in the sociopath is very different, and very few of us have it.

HS

SixofNine

What gets me is how people can feel so strongly one way or the other.

The crime can't be undone.

The criminal can't pay. That's what makes Jehovah's deal with Job such unmitigated bullshit.

Deal with the here and now, and what can truly be changed. If Manson's mother had not been a destitute 16 year old hooker, Sharon Tate would be alive today.

Now that's an issue that can be worked, so that is something worth feeling passion about. Cuz y'know what? Even if you don't grow up to be a vile mass murderer, it still sucks for a kid to have to be traded for sex by a mentally ill, destitute prostitute mom. I can tell you that from personal experience.

Just kidding on that last.

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