Convention attendee harassed by attendants (page 2)

WTWizard

Well, that's one more reason why I do not recommend going.

White Dove

Cussing someone out and then expecting not to get negative attention for it is just ignorant.

On the other hand, the camera man wasn't bothering anyone.

He did seem to want to start something with his cousin because he didn't just walk away.

He kept telling his cousin to walk away, instead.

I don't stay in a place that seems hostile to my presence.

They were both asses.

AuldSoul

white dove: I don't stay in a place that seems hostile to my presence.

While I understand your personal choice I also have to recognize that in the United States we the people are protcted to some extent by a contract called the Constitution. The Amendments to this document are put in place to protect the rights of the individual as superior in certain respects to the rights of institution.

The religion in question BRAGS publicly about upholding freedoms guaranteed by those amendments, and the camera holder in this video was calmly and peacefully asserting his rights until people began to harass him. He did not instigate ANY harassment. Therefore I do not believe the person holding the camera was in the least bit out of line, it must have been frustrating for him to know so much history about his cousin who was standing there smarmily repeating the same rote, pseudo-unified behavior crap over and over again.

Among JWs it is ALL about appearances, and I think the camera man made his point perfectly well.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

Peppermint

"I think the camera man made his point perfectly well"

He did have a point but ruined it by being to agressive.

AuldSoul

It could be that some misunderstand his point. He stressed throughout how the clean-cut appearance of JWs is a facade. I think his point was that the facade is very surface; a dish cleaned only on the outside and a whitewashed grave full of dead men's bones. He assumed the viewers would see in his cousin's eyes the recognition that what he was saying was true, and at least for my part he assumed correctly.

Throughout, his cousin's point was not to have him leave, to learn, to change, to convert, but only to get him to agree to comport himself in a way that is organizationally sanctioned. The man had not done otherwise, the cousin stated no cause for his concern that he might do otherwise, but the cousin was deliberately creating a scene in a public place by repeated proximity and imposing unwanted conversation. The camera man had every right (under law) to ask an authority figure to move along since that authority figure had no cause to detain him or in any way abridge his ability to exercise his Constitutional freedoms. The authority figure stated no cause for his continued, unwanted presence and was therefore the party in the wrong.

The outburst at the end almost certainly removed all basis for a cause of action, but was perfectly understandable given the creepy perpetual proximity of cousin Joseph.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

hillbilly

I think those videos rocked. How many of us could have shot the first two segments of the series with a straight face or without loosing it?

Cousin Joe cracked me up... he went right into the classic JW loop-feed of making an implication then denial, justified by a slight shift in phrase.

I really think this video makes the JW's look a lot worse than the shooter--- even if the shooter was baiting his cousin.... and he didnt.

All Joe had to say was "have a nice time and we hope you enjoy your stay" If there was a true security risk those attendents would have taken care of it later.

Hill

momzcrazy

The attendants looked and acted like rent a cops you see at the mall.

I liked that the hypocracy of the cousin was blown apart too. I think the videographer was respectful until they kept badgering him. Anyone would lose it in those circumstances.

momz

carla

I agree with AuldSoul 100%

Keyser said- 'Having been a witness, he knew full well how he would be received showing up in shorts, sandals, and with a video camera. He was inviting this "harrassment" ---- are you kidding? I believe this was in the US, last I checked my Constitution we are still allowed to wear sandals and shorts anywhere especially to a so called 'public' event. Bad taste? maybe and a definite yes in the eyes of wt sympathizers and jw's. As for the camera, I think if they do not have signs clearly posted 'no camera's' there is not much they can do about someone taping. Someone could just as easily use a cell phone like the jw who put up the 2008 Drama on the internet. If they had any kind of truth they would not be trying to limit the use of their indoctrination weekend, they would proudly want it shouted from the rooftops and the internet. Their problem is they cannot control the way in which the information is used and to have 'worldlies' see the cult for what it really is, that's why they don't want 'worldly' people taping.

keyser soze

How many of us could have shot the first two segments of the series with a straight face or without loosing it?

My point was, that a rational person wouldn't have done it to begin with. Were the attendants smug and self-righteous? Yes, they are JWs after all. Were they presumptuous to accuse someone of bad intentions because they were dressed differently? Again this is how JWs are. He exposed them as hypocrites, good for him. But bringing up personal shit that happened over sixteen years ago? Pretty childish if you ask me. He was an over-the-top nutjob who only served to validate the negative feelings JWs have about apostates.

wt sympathizers and jw's.

The fact that I don't hate JWs enough to hang onto a grudge for over sixteen years, does not make me a WT sympathizer, only a person with the fortitude to move on with his life, which this guy clearly hasn't done.

AuldSoul

keyser soze: The fact that I don't hate JWs enough to hang onto a grudge for over sixteen years, does not make me a WT sympathizer. . .

When did the guy filming ever say he hates JWs, or bears them a grudge? I missed that part. He had a very current grudge against his cousin acting smarmy and super-spiritual because he knew his cousin's past (and was probably accurate in guessing his cousin still swears when not wearing a suit).

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