by hamilcarr 42 Replies latest jw friends
No rights are so by birth.
What?? So a person born mentally broken (severally schizophrenic for example) should have the same rights to freedom
as someone born without such metal damage? Even if giving them autonomy causes possible harm to innocents?
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Do you really feel banning harmful experiments on apes is stupid?
Straw man. Straw man, does anything a straw man can.
The title is "Human rights for apes".
Not "Animal testing".
Are you vegetarian Ape_Sec?
BTS
severally schizophrenic for example) should have the same rights to freedom
as someone born without such metal damage?
Now you get it.
Rights are by birth. Preservation of rights is a different story all together. But yes, if a so called broken person could preserve his rights then yes. An ape cannot make his case in court. A human can make the case for the apes right of birth. If that can be done more power to em. yes.
Straw man. Straw man, does anything a straw man can.
Is it your right as a human not to be experimented on BTS? Then it is a human right by definition. Did you read? experimentation was explicitly mentioned.
Now you get it.
So you would, had you the power, go to a high security psychiatric hospital and throw open the doors?
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So you would, had you the power, go to a high security psychiatric hospital and throw open the doors?
A: I think the ppl in the psycho ward are prolly saner than most people.
B: They are incapable of reserving their natural born rights. No one will reserver their rights for them. Moot point ink.
Ink, do you believe you have more right not to be experimented on than an ape?
If so, on what basis please?
Then it is a human right by definition.
yes, it is A human right. Among many. Not being locked in zoos in another. Who gets to decide which ones Apes get?
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Once upon a time not so long ago all but Caucasian males were considered non-human and were denied basic human rights. Civilizations were predicted to topple when this would change. Pseudoscience, like phrenology and craniometry, was used to sustain the correctness of this situation. Australian aboriginals, native Americans, pygmeans and many other clans were said to behave like ... apes?
But our civilization grew older and became more mature.
Now, we are ready to face the challenge. Cognitive science has shown that individual superior human cognition is a hoax. Neuroscience has pointed to the flaws of the notion of 'personal responsibility'. Genetics has broadened our understanding of inter-species differences.
Towards a more humane humanity?
Who gets to decide which ones Apes get?
We do until they begin to assert the rights they were born with. Why is this so difficult to understand ink? I know you to be a smart guy.
